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PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2013 9:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Thats pretty much how I feel DHLF. I see Warmack as the only one in this draft with a good chance to be the best at his position within a year or two in the NFL. Sure others might do it but I just dont see elite impact from many in this draft. I think Ansah has a high ceiling but he also has a low floor. Milliner is the same and IMO could become a top 10 CB but I dont see him ever being in the discussion for top CB.

Give me the guy who has the best Chance of being the best at his position.


You would think that with a BPA approach, this would be the logic they use. No matter the position, if you can get a projected perennial All-Pro...you take them 100% of the time.
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Sorry if he's already been mentioned, but I don't feel like going through 40 pages to find him.

Anyway, what does everyone think of DJ Swearinger? I've been watching film on him and he sort of reminds me of a Louis Delmas when it comes to playing style and vocal leadership. On the down side, he seems like a bit of a head hunter who's going to draw a lot of 15 yarders and fines.

Rotoworld is reporting that there is a lot of buzz surrounding him and he could be gone within the first 62 picks. I personally right now wouldn't take him early in the second, but maybe a trade down situation would change my mind. Would you guys take him in the mid 2nd/early 3rd?
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 13, 2013 12:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maverick12 wrote:
Sorry if he's already been mentioned, but I don't feel like going through 40 pages to find him.

Anyway, what does everyone think of DJ Swearinger? I've been watching film on him and he sort of reminds me of a Louis Delmas when it comes to playing style and vocal leadership. On the down side, he seems like a bit of a head hunter who's going to draw a lot of 15 yarders and fines.

Rotoworld is reporting that there is a lot of buzz surrounding him and he could be gone within the first 62 picks. I personally right now wouldn't take him early in the second, but maybe a trade down situation would change my mind. Would you guys take him in the mid 2nd/early 3rd?


I really like him a lot. I wouldn't mind picking him up in the 2nd.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 13, 2013 12:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maverick12 wrote:
Sorry if he's already been mentioned, but I don't feel like going through 40 pages to find him.

Anyway, what does everyone think of DJ Swearinger? I've been watching film on him and he sort of reminds me of a Louis Delmas when it comes to playing style and vocal leadership. On the down side, he seems like a bit of a head hunter who's going to draw a lot of 15 yarders and fines.

Rotoworld is reporting that there is a lot of buzz surrounding him and he could be gone within the first 62 picks. I personally right now wouldn't take him early in the second, but maybe a trade down situation would change my mind. Would you guys take him in the mid 2nd/early 3rd?


I like him a lot, been high on him for awhile. I've mocked him to us multiple times. I wont be surprised at all if/when he ends up a top 40 pick. Not sure if I like the Delmas comparison, because I like Swearinger better than Delmas (from what I remember). The penalty thing is a valid point and is actually a concern with several S's in this year's draft for me.
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NFL doctors have given Georgia OLB Jarvis Jones a clean bill of health regarding early-college concerns about spinal stenosis.

USC's medical staff wouldn't clear Jones to play football due to the spinal condition as a freshman. So he transferred to Georgia, received medical clearance, and went on to become one of the SEC's most feared pass rushers. Health concerns will ostensibly be a non-issue going forward regarding Jones' draft stock. ESPN's Mel Kiper insists Jones will be a top-five pick, but Rotoworld's Josh Norris expects Jones to slip into the teens; perhaps to Pittsburgh at No. 17.


http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/8373/player

Does this change anything for you guys that didn't want Jones?
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 13, 2013 5:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Sllim Pickens wrote:
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Oh great. Now he's going to be concussion prone.
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NFL doctors have given Georgia OLB Jarvis Jones a clean bill of health regarding early-college concerns about spinal stenosis.

USC's medical staff wouldn't clear Jones to play football due to the spinal condition as a freshman. So he transferred to Georgia, received medical clearance, and went on to become one of the SEC's most feared pass rushers. Health concerns will ostensibly be a non-issue going forward regarding Jones' draft stock. ESPN's Mel Kiper insists Jones will be a top-five pick, but Rotoworld's Josh Norris expects Jones to slip into the teens; perhaps to Pittsburgh at No. 17.


http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/8373/player

Does this change anything for you guys that didn't want Jones?


No, not without more information.

The only thing that would change my mind is if it came out that he was misdiagnosed and didn't have stenosis.
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ManeLine wrote:
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NFL doctors have given Georgia OLB Jarvis Jones a clean bill of health regarding early-college concerns about spinal stenosis.

USC's medical staff wouldn't clear Jones to play football due to the spinal condition as a freshman. So he transferred to Georgia, received medical clearance, and went on to become one of the SEC's most feared pass rushers. Health concerns will ostensibly be a non-issue going forward regarding Jones' draft stock. ESPN's Mel Kiper insists Jones will be a top-five pick, but Rotoworld's Josh Norris expects Jones to slip into the teens; perhaps to Pittsburgh at No. 17.


http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/8373/player

Does this change anything for you guys that didn't want Jones?


Does the clean bill of health come because he somehow doesn't have spinal stenosis anymore?

If not, then I'm still not interested.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 13, 2013 10:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

diehardlionfan wrote:
ManeLine wrote:
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NFL doctors have given Georgia OLB Jarvis Jones a clean bill of health regarding early-college concerns about spinal stenosis.

USC's medical staff wouldn't clear Jones to play football due to the spinal condition as a freshman. So he transferred to Georgia, received medical clearance, and went on to become one of the SEC's most feared pass rushers. Health concerns will ostensibly be a non-issue going forward regarding Jones' draft stock. ESPN's Mel Kiper insists Jones will be a top-five pick, but Rotoworld's Josh Norris expects Jones to slip into the teens; perhaps to Pittsburgh at No. 17.


http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/8373/player

Does this change anything for you guys that didn't want Jones?


No, not without more information.

The only thing that would change my mind is if it came out that he was misdiagnosed and didn't have stenosis.

There are varying levels of spinal stenosis. He could have a very slight narrowing relative to average people, to the point where it could technically be diagnosed with it, while still not making it significantly more likely that his career will end early. There are probably a quite a few current NFL players that could be diagnosed with spinal stenosis if they were sent to a specialist who was told to look for it.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2013 1:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

nixa wrote:
diehardlionfan wrote:
ManeLine wrote:
Quote:
NFL doctors have given Georgia OLB Jarvis Jones a clean bill of health regarding early-college concerns about spinal stenosis.

USC's medical staff wouldn't clear Jones to play football due to the spinal condition as a freshman. So he transferred to Georgia, received medical clearance, and went on to become one of the SEC's most feared pass rushers. Health concerns will ostensibly be a non-issue going forward regarding Jones' draft stock. ESPN's Mel Kiper insists Jones will be a top-five pick, but Rotoworld's Josh Norris expects Jones to slip into the teens; perhaps to Pittsburgh at No. 17.


http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/8373/player

Does this change anything for you guys that didn't want Jones?


No, not without more information.

The only thing that would change my mind is if it came out that he was misdiagnosed and didn't have stenosis.

There are varying levels of spinal stenosis. He could have a very slight narrowing relative to average people, to the point where it could technically be diagnosed with it, while still not making it significantly more likely that his career will end early. There are probably a quite a few current NFL players that could be diagnosed with spinal stenosis if they were sent to a specialist who was told to look for it.


I understand what your saying. Usually with that marginal of a narrowing a person isn't diagnosed with stenosis.

It's like degenerative disc disease. Everyones discs degenerate but there are allowable amounts considered normal. It's only when you are outside the norm does it trigger a diagnosis.
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diehardlionfan wrote:
nixa wrote:
diehardlionfan wrote:
ManeLine wrote:
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NFL doctors have given Georgia OLB Jarvis Jones a clean bill of health regarding early-college concerns about spinal stenosis.

USC's medical staff wouldn't clear Jones to play football due to the spinal condition as a freshman. So he transferred to Georgia, received medical clearance, and went on to become one of the SEC's most feared pass rushers. Health concerns will ostensibly be a non-issue going forward regarding Jones' draft stock. ESPN's Mel Kiper insists Jones will be a top-five pick, but Rotoworld's Josh Norris expects Jones to slip into the teens; perhaps to Pittsburgh at No. 17.


http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/8373/player

Does this change anything for you guys that didn't want Jones?


No, not without more information.

The only thing that would change my mind is if it came out that he was misdiagnosed and didn't have stenosis.

There are varying levels of spinal stenosis. He could have a very slight narrowing relative to average people, to the point where it could technically be diagnosed with it, while still not making it significantly more likely that his career will end early. There are probably a quite a few current NFL players that could be diagnosed with spinal stenosis if they were sent to a specialist who was told to look for it.


I understand what your saying. Usually with that marginal of a narrowing a person isn't diagnosed with stenosis.

It's like degenerative disc disease. Everyones discs degenerate but there are allowable amounts considered normal. It's only when you are outside the norm does it trigger a diagnosis.

That's kind of my point. His could just be so marginal that it generally wouldn't have even been diagnosed as such. From Jones' story, the doctor who originally diagnosed it pretty much said it was so mild that it wasn't a real issue, so maybe that is exactly what happened.
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nixa wrote:
diehardlionfan wrote:
nixa wrote:
diehardlionfan wrote:
ManeLine wrote:
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NFL doctors have given Georgia OLB Jarvis Jones a clean bill of health regarding early-college concerns about spinal stenosis.

USC's medical staff wouldn't clear Jones to play football due to the spinal condition as a freshman. So he transferred to Georgia, received medical clearance, and went on to become one of the SEC's most feared pass rushers. Health concerns will ostensibly be a non-issue going forward regarding Jones' draft stock. ESPN's Mel Kiper insists Jones will be a top-five pick, but Rotoworld's Josh Norris expects Jones to slip into the teens; perhaps to Pittsburgh at No. 17.


http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/8373/player

Does this change anything for you guys that didn't want Jones?


No, not without more information.

The only thing that would change my mind is if it came out that he was misdiagnosed and didn't have stenosis.

There are varying levels of spinal stenosis. He could have a very slight narrowing relative to average people, to the point where it could technically be diagnosed with it, while still not making it significantly more likely that his career will end early. There are probably a quite a few current NFL players that could be diagnosed with spinal stenosis if they were sent to a specialist who was told to look for it.


I understand what your saying. Usually with that marginal of a narrowing a person isn't diagnosed with stenosis.

It's like degenerative disc disease. Everyones discs degenerate but there are allowable amounts considered normal. It's only when you are outside the norm does it trigger a diagnosis.

That's kind of my point. His could just be so marginal that it generally wouldn't have even been diagnosed as such. From Jones' story, the doctor who originally diagnosed it pretty much said it was so mild that it wasn't a real issue, so maybe that is exactly what happened.
If it wasn't an issue I think USC wouldn't have dropped him.
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IDOG_det wrote:
nixa wrote:
diehardlionfan wrote:
nixa wrote:
diehardlionfan wrote:
ManeLine wrote:
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NFL doctors have given Georgia OLB Jarvis Jones a clean bill of health regarding early-college concerns about spinal stenosis.

USC's medical staff wouldn't clear Jones to play football due to the spinal condition as a freshman. So he transferred to Georgia, received medical clearance, and went on to become one of the SEC's most feared pass rushers. Health concerns will ostensibly be a non-issue going forward regarding Jones' draft stock. ESPN's Mel Kiper insists Jones will be a top-five pick, but Rotoworld's Josh Norris expects Jones to slip into the teens; perhaps to Pittsburgh at No. 17.


http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/8373/player

Does this change anything for you guys that didn't want Jones?


No, not without more information.

The only thing that would change my mind is if it came out that he was misdiagnosed and didn't have stenosis.

There are varying levels of spinal stenosis. He could have a very slight narrowing relative to average people, to the point where it could technically be diagnosed with it, while still not making it significantly more likely that his career will end early. There are probably a quite a few current NFL players that could be diagnosed with spinal stenosis if they were sent to a specialist who was told to look for it.


I understand what your saying. Usually with that marginal of a narrowing a person isn't diagnosed with stenosis.

It's like degenerative disc disease. Everyones discs degenerate but there are allowable amounts considered normal. It's only when you are outside the norm does it trigger a diagnosis.

That's kind of my point. His could just be so marginal that it generally wouldn't have even been diagnosed as such. From Jones' story, the doctor who originally diagnosed it pretty much said it was so mild that it wasn't a real issue, so maybe that is exactly what happened.
If it wasn't an issue I think USC wouldn't have dropped him.

It's kind of worthless speculating on that though. From what I can tell, they never told him it would be career ending until after Kiffin was hired. They also had to know at that point that some sort of scholarship reductions were coming from the Reggie Bush scandal. It could just be that Monte didn't think Jones fit his defense and/or that Lane wanted to free up a scholarship for a guy he recruited. Or maybe the USC medical staff is ridiculous risk-averse. Who knows?

At this point though, if you believe this report, that would make 4 specialists that have disagreed with the conculsions of USC's medical staff. Isn't it possible that they were wrong to do what they did?
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nixa wrote:
diehardlionfan wrote:
nixa wrote:
diehardlionfan wrote:
ManeLine wrote:
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NFL doctors have given Georgia OLB Jarvis Jones a clean bill of health regarding early-college concerns about spinal stenosis.

USC's medical staff wouldn't clear Jones to play football due to the spinal condition as a freshman. So he transferred to Georgia, received medical clearance, and went on to become one of the SEC's most feared pass rushers. Health concerns will ostensibly be a non-issue going forward regarding Jones' draft stock. ESPN's Mel Kiper insists Jones will be a top-five pick, but Rotoworld's Josh Norris expects Jones to slip into the teens; perhaps to Pittsburgh at No. 17.


http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/8373/player

Does this change anything for you guys that didn't want Jones?


No, not without more information.

The only thing that would change my mind is if it came out that he was misdiagnosed and didn't have stenosis.

There are varying levels of spinal stenosis. He could have a very slight narrowing relative to average people, to the point where it could technically be diagnosed with it, while still not making it significantly more likely that his career will end early. There are probably a quite a few current NFL players that could be diagnosed with spinal stenosis if they were sent to a specialist who was told to look for it.



I understand what your saying. Usually with that marginal of a narrowing a person isn't diagnosed with stenosis.

It's like degenerative disc disease. Everyones discs degenerate but there are allowable amounts considered normal. It's only when you are outside the norm does it trigger a diagnosis.

That's kind of my point. His could just be so marginal that it generally wouldn't have even been diagnosed as such. From Jones' story, the doctor who originally diagnosed it pretty much said it was so mild that it wasn't a real issue, so maybe that is exactly what happened.


It would be nice for his sake if it was a misdiagnosis. I hate to see someone's career potentially derailed before it even gets started.

I sure wish they would release some definitive statements about his condition or lack thereof.

I never like it when the term," cleared to play," is used.
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