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fattlipp


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 12, 2012 4:29 pm    Post subject: Reggie Bush: 2013's FA signing... Reply with quote

We loved him in the draft. IMO he was made for GB's offense. Can't believe Philban isn't throwing to him on mismatches in Miami, he's got a Marshall Faulk there, and hes treating him like Michael Bush.

Would be ideal here, low usage scheme, great receiver, big play ability, smart player.

Could get him for 3/12m.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 12, 2012 4:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

How much cap room would we have if we resigned players like CM3, ARod, Raji, and even possibly Jennings?

He's having a few productive years in Mia, but the injury would probably get him a few $$ cheaper. However, he's in his late 20s and I'd personally like to see what we have in Starks/Green combo. Could be a Starks/Grant - Jackson on 3rd downs kind of combo.

The madden side of me has me licking my chops though
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 12, 2012 4:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yes plz
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 12, 2012 4:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Give me that 4 mil a year to go to Greg Jennings instead. Reggie Bush is more inconsistent than JerMichael Finley.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 12, 2012 5:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

justo wrote:
We should probably make a run for Reggie Bush next year
1) Move Elmore to DE
2) Cut Q
3) Trade for Blount and Skelton
4) Sign Bush
5) ???
6) Profit

Packerraymond wrote:
Give me that 4 mil a year to go to Greg Jennings instead. Reggie Bush is more inconsistent than JerMichael Finley.
Throw 4 million at Jennings, who has been a non factor in Rodgers' huge year, instead of a RB upgrade that wwould touch the ball as much or more than him each game? No me gusta. As much as we like to say, "he's a great WR!" he also benefits from a great QB and a great WR corp that allows him to get open more than usual WR with his talent level. He's no Calvin or Larry. I really hope we don't break bank for a aging WR when we have youth building blocks on the team. You look at which teams have the top QBs, OLBs, ect compared to the "top" WRs and it's pretty different. You can't build your team around one WR even though the Cardinals try so damn hard to.

Bush game log
@ Houston 14-69 (4.9) 6-46 (7.7) FUMB
Oakland 26-172 (6.6) 2 3-25 (8.3)
Jets 10-61 (6.1) 1-1 (1.0)
@ Arizona 17-67 (3.9)
@ Cincinnati 19-48 (2.5) 1 2-24 (12.0)
St. Louis 12-17 (1.4) 5-44 (8.8)
@ Jets 15-19 (4.2) 1-6 (6.0) FUMB
@ Indianapolis 10-41 (4.1) 1 2-25 (12.5)
Tennessee 4-21 (5.3) 1-8 (8.0) FUMB

Outside of the St. Louis game he's been pretty good.
#4 Houston (4.9)
#17 St. Louis (1.4)
#19 Cincinnati (2.5)
#20 Oakland (6.6)
#21 Indianapolis (4.1)
#23 Arizona (3.9)
#29 Jets (6.1, 4.2)
#30 Tennessee (5.3)

Miami Dolphins rushing:
Reggie Bush 126-555 (4.4) 4
Daniel Thomas 62-213 (3.4) 3
Lamar Miller 27-145 (5.4) 1
Lorvorskie Lane 12-13 (1.1) 2

Miami Dolphins receiving:
Reggie Bush 21/27(77.78)-179 (8.5)
Daniel Thomas 12/19(63.16)-119 (9.9)
Jorvorskie Lane 6/7 (85.71)-57 (9.5)
Lamar Miller 2/3 (66.67)-13 (6.5)

Reggie Bush
rushes: 49.80%
rushing yards: 58.48%
targets: 9.03%
receptions: 11.93%
reception yards: 8.48%

Daniel Thomas
rushes: 24.51%
rushing yards: 22.44%
targets: 6.35%
receptions: 6.82%
reception yards: 5.64%

I really think that Bush is a lot better than people give him credit for. How much of an impact did Sproles make in New Orleans? Same mold.

Alex Green 87-272 (3.1) 11/16-90 (8.2)
Cedric Benson 71-248 (3.5) 1 14/15-97 (6.9)
James Starks 23-80 (3.5) 1/2-9 (9.0)
John Kuhn 11-39 (3.5) 1 8/9-70 (8.8)

Packers rushing
#4 San Francisco (3.7-3.2)
#13 Houston (4.1-3.2)
#15 Jacksonville (4.2-2.5)
#16 Arizona (4.2-4.5)
#17 Chicago (4.2-3.8)
#20 St. Louis (4.3-4.6)
#21 Seattle (4.3-4.4)
#29 Indianapolis (4.7-4.0)
#31 New Orleans (5.1-4.1)

Games over average: .3, .3, .1 (Arizona, St. Louis, Seattle)
Games under average: -.5, -.9, -1.7, -.4, -.7, -1.0 (San Francisco, Houston, Jacksonville, Chicago, Indianapolis, New Orleans)
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 12, 2012 7:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wont happen because we know TT wouldn't do something that drastic.

But it would be cool Wink
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 12, 2012 9:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd be open to bring in Bush, from what I remember he's turned into a pretty good pass blocker. As for salary cap and contract, I think it will take $19-20 over 4 to win his services, he's run between the tackles and demonstrated the traits of a much more complete back in Miami then the one we saw always try and take the edge in New Orleans. The Packers cap though, there is a number of vets who may have been caught by father time or will be victims of contracts exceeding their market value. The end result, enough cap space to make take care of a couple players. Not saying who, that's not for here this is a Reggie Bush discussion.

Unless a couple veterans gets released like DeAngelo Williams, the Running Back pool is going to be shallow and the draft class low on elite talent. Reggie Bush, Steven Jackson, Rashard Mendenhall, Felix Jones, who else is going to be a FA?
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 12, 2012 10:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No thanks to another RB with lousy vision.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 12:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh yes
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 2:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kal-El wrote:
No thanks to another RB with lousy vision.


What? Bush has a bad habit of looking for the home run every play and not getting what is there. But there is nothing wrong with that man's vision grade. Very high end there IMO.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 2:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

justo wrote:
justo wrote:
We should probably make a run for Reggie Bush next year
1) Move Elmore to DE
2) Cut Q
3) Trade for Blount and Skelton
4) Sign Bush
5) ???
6) Profit

Packerraymond wrote:
Give me that 4 mil a year to go to Greg Jennings instead. Reggie Bush is more inconsistent than JerMichael Finley.
Throw 4 million at Jennings, who has been a non factor in Rodgers' huge year, instead of a RB upgrade that wwould touch the ball as much or more than him each game? No me gusta. As much as we like to say, "he's a great WR!" he also benefits from a great QB and a great WR corp that allows him to get open more than usual WR with his talent level. He's no Calvin or Larry. I really hope we don't break bank for a aging WR when we have youth building blocks on the team. You look at which teams have the top QBs, OLBs, ect compared to the "top" WRs and it's pretty different. You can't build your team around one WR even though the Cardinals try so damn hard to.

Bush game log
@ Houston 14-69 (4.9) 6-46 (7.7) FUMB
Oakland 26-172 (6.6) 2 3-25 (8.3)
Jets 10-61 (6.1) 1-1 (1.0)
@ Arizona 17-67 (3.9)
@ Cincinnati 19-48 (2.5) 1 2-24 (12.0)
St. Louis 12-17 (1.4) 5-44 (8.Cool
@ Jets 15-19 (4.2) 1-6 (6.0) FUMB
@ Indianapolis 10-41 (4.1) 1 2-25 (12.5)
Tennessee 4-21 (5.3) 1-8 (8.0) FUMB

Outside of the St. Louis game he's been pretty good.
#4 Houston (4.9)
#17 St. Louis (1.4)
#19 Cincinnati (2.5)
#20 Oakland (6.6)
#21 Indianapolis (4.1)
#23 Arizona (3.9)
#29 Jets (6.1, 4.2)
#30 Tennessee (5.3)

Miami Dolphins rushing:
Reggie Bush 126-555 (4.4) 4
Daniel Thomas 62-213 (3.4) 3
Lamar Miller 27-145 (5.4) 1
Lorvorskie Lane 12-13 (1.1) 2

Miami Dolphins receiving:
Reggie Bush 21/27(77.7Cool-179 (8.5)
Daniel Thomas 12/19(63.16)-119 (9.9)
Jorvorskie Lane 6/7 (85.71)-57 (9.5)
Lamar Miller 2/3 (66.67)-13 (6.5)

Reggie Bush
rushes: 49.80%
rushing yards: 58.48%
targets: 9.03%
receptions: 11.93%
reception yards: 8.48%

Daniel Thomas
rushes: 24.51%
rushing yards: 22.44%
targets: 6.35%
receptions: 6.82%
reception yards: 5.64%

I really think that Bush is a lot better than people give him credit for. How much of an impact did Sproles make in New Orleans? Same mold.

Alex Green 87-272 (3.1) 11/16-90 (8.2)
Cedric Benson 71-248 (3.5) 1 14/15-97 (6.9)
James Starks 23-80 (3.5) 1/2-9 (9.0)
John Kuhn 11-39 (3.5) 1 8/9-70 (8.Cool

Packers rushing
#4 San Francisco (3.7-3.2)
#13 Houston (4.1-3.2)
#15 Jacksonville (4.2-2.5)
#16 Arizona (4.2-4.5)
#17 Chicago (4.2-3.Cool
#20 St. Louis (4.3-4.6)
#21 Seattle (4.3-4.4)
#29 Indianapolis (4.7-4.0)
#31 New Orleans (5.1-4.1)

Games over average: .3, .3, .1 (Arizona, St. Louis, Seattle)
Games under average: -.5, -.9, -1.7, -.4, -.7, -1.0 (San Francisco, Houston, Jacksonville, Chicago, Indianapolis, New Orleans)


Nicely done.

However, I don't consider at this time Nelson, Jones or Cobb a true number 1 Go-To WR and Jennings is that. Maybe they would be enough IF we had the Finley of '09 and not the Finley of '12 playing with them.

i won't argue that this team could use a legit RB. Ahmad Green would have thrived with this group and pushed it over the top.

However, would the 9er teams have won their SBs w/o Rice and having taylor, Watters, (forget their TE name)?

Would the Dallas teams have won their rings w/o Irvin with having Novacek, Emmitt, Harper and company? In both cases the answer would be no imo.

Teams need a number 1 WR. Now if not Jennings next year than we need to draft another one to take those reins over in a year.....
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 3:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

palmy50 wrote:
Kal-El wrote:
No thanks to another RB with lousy vision.


What? Bush has a bad habit of looking for the home run every play and not getting what is there. But there is nothing wrong with that man's vision grade. Very high end there IMO.


Err... like I said, no thanks to another RB that leaves yards on the field. =P
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Kal-El wrote:
palmy50 wrote:
Kal-El wrote:
No thanks to another RB with lousy vision.


What? Bush has a bad habit of looking for the home run every play and not getting what is there. But there is nothing wrong with that man's vision grade. Very high end there IMO.


Err... like I said, no thanks to another RB that leaves yards on the field. =P


Would not fight ya on that. Was not a shot at you by any means either.

For some reason the vision thing with Bush has come my way a hand full of times over the years. Not sure why to tell the truth. There is a hell of a lot of tape on Bush out there and the man has graded well on vision since HS. Only thing I could come up with is that many see him dancing around out there and think he can't find it. I disagree. Vision is not something that comes and goes and Bush can find it every time when he has his mind right. Not going to take him looking for those home runs out of him though, and truth be told, I'm not 100% sure ya want too.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 10:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cobb + Bush + Nelson + Jones + whoever...

Drool
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 1:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

gregoreo22 wrote:
Cobb + Bush + Nelson + Jones + whoever...

Drool


i dont see any other scenario but profit there.
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