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matt79511
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| MaddHatter wrote: | | matt79511 wrote: | | Man, offense can't move the ball and it's all on Garrett? Run:pass was basically 1:1, not Jason's fault that the line can't block a four man front. |
Not the run pass ratio rather the actual design of the plays |
How so? Nothing so egregious to me. Of course, I'm of the opinion that no play is doomed to failure and that it comes down to execution, and that blaming playcalling for anything is silly.
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| matt79511 wrote: | | MaddHatter wrote: | | matt79511 wrote: | | Man, offense can't move the ball and it's all on Garrett? Run:pass was basically 1:1, not Jason's fault that the line can't block a four man front. |
Not the run pass ratio rather the actual design of the plays |
How so? Nothing so egregious to me. Of course, I'm of the opinion that no play is doomed to failure and that it comes down to execution, and that blaming playcalling for anything is silly. |
If you watched some of the routes the WR's were running they were constantly blanketed. Then the few passes we had open up were underneath. Often on third down. For less than the 1st. It's a culmination of poor pass designs and brilliant secondary defense by the eagles.
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Gameballs to Felix, Vickers, Romo, Harris Tyron, Demarcus, Carter, Spencer and Carr.
Jockstraps to Claiborne, Garrett, Free.
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Game Balls: Felix Jones, Dwayne Harris, Jason Hatcher, and Bruce Carter
Jock Straps: Morris Caliborne, Jason Garrett
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dahobofest
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| How many penalties did Claiborne have? I've never seen an offsides on a cornerback, let alone two (I've seen an encroachment a few weeks ago). |
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plan9misfit
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| dahobofest wrote: | | How many penalties did Claiborne have? I've never seen an offsides on a cornerback, let alone two (I've seen an encroachment a few weeks ago). |
Too many, especially in the second half. He played like a lost rookie today. Thankfully, Foles played like a rookie as well.
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GB: Carter
Hm: Harris
JS: Mo, Free
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| plan9misfit wrote: | | dahobofest wrote: | | How many penalties did Claiborne have? I've never seen an offsides on a cornerback, let alone two (I've seen an encroachment a few weeks ago). |
Too many, especially in the second half. He played like a lost rookie today. Thankfully, Foles played like a rookie as well. |
iirc, MO had 5, the 2 off sides and 3 holding.
EDIT: Almost forgot my nominations...
GB: D and ST units. Much needed boost today...even if it damage was done against rookie QB and Eagles struggling ST unit.
JS: Claiborne. Rookie, had a rookie day
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Way to take acocoutantibilty for your play and take a stance on it kid. You've learned in 3.5 mo, something many on this team have yet to discover after 5-7 yrs.
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| WizardHawk wrote: | | plan9misfit wrote: | | dahobofest wrote: | | How many penalties did Claiborne have? I've never seen an offsides on a cornerback, let alone two (I've seen an encroachment a few weeks ago). |
Too many, especially in the second half. He played like a lost rookie today. Thankfully, Foles played like a rookie as well. |
iirc, MO had 5, the 2 off sides and 3 holding. |
It was like Claiborne was trying to catch Free for the team league in penalties in one game.
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Game Ball: Romo, Carter, Carr
Jock Strap: Hatcher, Free
50 feet of crap
Morris Claiborne
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| plan9misfit wrote: | | dahobofest wrote: | | How many penalties did Claiborne have? I've never seen an offsides on a cornerback, let alone two (I've seen an encroachment a few weeks ago). |
Too many, especially in the second half. He played like a lost rookie today. Thankfully, Foles played like a rookie as well. |
I haven't seen a quarterback that inaccurate since Tim Tebow. |
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plan9misfit
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| dahobofest wrote: | | plan9misfit wrote: | | dahobofest wrote: | | How many penalties did Claiborne have? I've never seen an offsides on a cornerback, let alone two (I've seen an encroachment a few weeks ago). |
Too many, especially in the second half. He played like a lost rookie today. Thankfully, Foles played like a rookie as well. |
I haven't seen a quarterback that inaccurate since Tim Tebow. |
Then you haven't watched many QBs. Foles looked like a rookie who was thrust into action before he was ready. Nothing more. Given the situation and the circumstances, he didn't play that poorly. Could many of his throws have been picked off? Absolutely. But, people like me say the same thing about Romo nearly every week only to be told that his play wasn't bad.
Pick your poison, I guess. Foles looked like the kind of player he is: a young, inexperienced rookie who is adapting to the speed and style of the professional game after spending his college career playing in a spread offense. It's very unreasonable to expect a rookie to come in under those circumstances and set the world on fire.
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dahobofest
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| plan9misfit wrote: | | dahobofest wrote: | | plan9misfit wrote: | | dahobofest wrote: | | How many penalties did Claiborne have? I've never seen an offsides on a cornerback, let alone two (I've seen an encroachment a few weeks ago). |
Too many, especially in the second half. He played like a lost rookie today. Thankfully, Foles played like a rookie as well. |
I haven't seen a quarterback that inaccurate since Tim Tebow. |
Then you haven't watched many QBs. Foles looked like a rookie who was thrust into action before he was ready. Nothing more. Given the situation and the circumstances, he didn't play that poorly. Could many of his throws have been picked off? Absolutely. But, people like me say the same thing about Romo nearly every week only to be told that his play wasn't bad.
Pick your poison, I guess. Foles looked like the kind of player he is: a young, inexperienced rookie who is adapting to the speed and style of the professional game after spending his college career playing in a spread offense. It's very unreasonable to expect a rookie to come in under those circumstances and set the world on fire. |
Not really. Go back and watch the throws. They were wildly inaccurate. Even Eli has been more accurate than that the last three weeks. There's a difference between making rookie mistakes such as bad decisions and making inaccurate throws. Inaccurate throws are inaccurate throws. |
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plan9misfit
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| dahobofest wrote: | | plan9misfit wrote: | | dahobofest wrote: | | plan9misfit wrote: | | dahobofest wrote: | | How many penalties did Claiborne have? I've never seen an offsides on a cornerback, let alone two (I've seen an encroachment a few weeks ago). |
Too many, especially in the second half. He played like a lost rookie today. Thankfully, Foles played like a rookie as well. |
I haven't seen a quarterback that inaccurate since Tim Tebow. |
Then you haven't watched many QBs. Foles looked like a rookie who was thrust into action before he was ready. Nothing more. Given the situation and the circumstances, he didn't play that poorly. Could many of his throws have been picked off? Absolutely. But, people like me say the same thing about Romo nearly every week only to be told that his play wasn't bad.
Pick your poison, I guess. Foles looked like the kind of player he is: a young, inexperienced rookie who is adapting to the speed and style of the professional game after spending his college career playing in a spread offense. It's very unreasonable to expect a rookie to come in under those circumstances and set the world on fire. |
Not really. Go back and watch the throws. They were wildly inaccurate. Even Eli has been more accurate than that the last three weeks. There's a difference between making rookie mistakes such as bad decisions and making inaccurate throws. Inaccurate throws are inaccurate throws. |
You don't know much about football, do you? Rookies make mistakes. They make inaccurate throws. They make bad decisions. And many of those bad decisions lead to inaccurate throws. Why? Because they're learning a brand new system and are adjusting to the speed of the game. I don't need to go back and watch the throws. You're making it seem as if Foles is some seasoned veteran who suffers from similar mental lapses as Tony Romo does. Today was the first time Foles took a snap in a regular season game, so how does that make him comparable to Eli Manning or Tim Tebow? It's not as if he was expected to play. Vick got hurt and he was thrown to the wolves before he was ready. That happens.
Oh, and in case you forgot or never watched them play, if you want to see two QBs make a ton of inaccurate throws and make some terrible decisions, just throw on a tape of Troy Aikman's rookie season in 1989 or Peyton Manning's rookie season in 1998. They both stunk.
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dahobofest
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| plan9misfit wrote: | | dahobofest wrote: | | plan9misfit wrote: | | dahobofest wrote: | | plan9misfit wrote: | | dahobofest wrote: | | How many penalties did Claiborne have? I've never seen an offsides on a cornerback, let alone two (I've seen an encroachment a few weeks ago). |
Too many, especially in the second half. He played like a lost rookie today. Thankfully, Foles played like a rookie as well. |
I haven't seen a quarterback that inaccurate since Tim Tebow. |
Then you haven't watched many QBs. Foles looked like a rookie who was thrust into action before he was ready. Nothing more. Given the situation and the circumstances, he didn't play that poorly. Could many of his throws have been picked off? Absolutely. But, people like me say the same thing about Romo nearly every week only to be told that his play wasn't bad.
Pick your poison, I guess. Foles looked like the kind of player he is: a young, inexperienced rookie who is adapting to the speed and style of the professional game after spending his college career playing in a spread offense. It's very unreasonable to expect a rookie to come in under those circumstances and set the world on fire. |
Not really. Go back and watch the throws. They were wildly inaccurate. Even Eli has been more accurate than that the last three weeks. There's a difference between making rookie mistakes such as bad decisions and making inaccurate throws. Inaccurate throws are inaccurate throws. |
You don't know much about football, do you? Rookies make mistakes. They make inaccurate throws. They make bad decisions. And many of those bad decisions lead to inaccurate throws. Why? Because they're learning a brand new system and are adjusting to the speed of the game. I don't need to go back and watch the throws. You're making it seem as if Foles is some seasoned veteran who suffers from similar mental lapses as Tony Romo does. Today was the first time Foles took a snap in a regular season game, so how does that make him comparable to Eli Manning or Tim Tebow? It's not as if he was expected to play. Vick got hurt and he was thrown to the wolves before he was ready. That happens.
Oh, and in case you forgot or never watched them play, if you want to see two QBs make a ton of inaccurate throws and make some terrible decisions, just throw on a tape of Troy Aikman's rookie season in 1989 or Peyton Manning's rookie season in 1998. They both stunk. |
I'm willing to bet more of their interceptions were from bad decisions, confusion, and risk taking... I also don't understand what those players have to do with him making really inaccurate throws. |
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