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dawsonleery


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PostPosted: Sun Nov 11, 2012 9:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Greg Knapp is a Head Coach Killer as an OC.

49ers - Steve Mariucci
Falcons - Jim Mora
Raiders - Lane Kiffin
Seahawks - Jim Mora (think he would have learned the first time)

This guy Greg Knapp has never had real susses being an OC. His teams historically have failed. If Dennis Allen wants to last as Raiders Head Coach he needs to make the move and fire his buddy.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 11, 2012 9:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

dawsonleery wrote:
Greg Knapp is a Head Coach Killer as an OC.

49ers - Steve Mariucci
Falcons - Jim Mora
Raiders - Lane Kiffin
Seahawks - Jim Mora (think he would have learned the first time)

This guy Greg Knapp has never had real susses being an OC. His teams historically have failed. If Dennis Allen wants to last as Raiders Head Coach he needs to make the move and fire his buddy.


I have little doubt that's coming. Not sure if he'll get the boot in season, but there's no way he'll be around next.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 11, 2012 9:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

All this talk about Knapp still..... what about Tarver? Our offense is still putting up slightly below average numbers, our defense is bottom of the barrel in points per game. Tarver and his unit are now performing worse than Knapp and his unit, yet no one here is talking about it.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 11, 2012 9:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NickButera wrote:
All this talk about Knapp still..... what about Tarver? Our offense is still putting up slightly below average numbers, our defense is bottom of the barrel in points per game. Tarver and his unit are now performing worse than Knapp and his unit, yet no one here is talking about it.
Because the offense has talent and the defense does not, i think everyone mostly agrees on that.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 11, 2012 9:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NickButera wrote:
All this talk about Knapp still..... what about Tarver? Our offense is still putting up slightly below average numbers, our defense is bottom of the barrel in points per game. Tarver and his unit are now performing worse than Knapp and his unit, yet no one here is talking about it.


We've had 3 different DCs the last 3 years. The results aren't any different. Its the personnel. Can't blame Tarver for Tommy Kelly being a ghost on the line. Can't blame him for the missed tackles by the LBs, etc.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 11, 2012 10:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Baggabonez wrote:
OakRaiders3828 wrote:
oakdb36 wrote:
OakRaiders3828 wrote:
There was literally no way Reggie could have improved this team talent wise. Now coaching is a different story, but I don't see how anyone but AD can get the blame for the current state of our roster, he left Reggie nothing to work with, an I mean nothing.


He couldn't do much but what he did isn't looking very good right now.

Brisiel is far from living up to his contract.
Bartell hasn't looked good at all in the 2 games he has been able to play so far.
Spencer is done for the season.
Tollefson is doing absolutely nothing.
Wheeler isn't playing good anymore.
Branch is looking like the next overpaid Raider.

We're only getting contribution from 2 rookies so far and our highest pick has finally been allowed to step on the field in the 4th quarter of a blowout in week 10, despite him playing a position where we've struggled basically all season long.


But my thing is, how often do more than 2 late round rookies make an impact in their first season? I agree in hindsight the signings don't look great (jury is still out on some), but at the time with the limited resources he had, I think he did a good job. Unfortunately they just haven't panned out the way we would've liked but i'm curious to see what he does now that we have high draft picks and some money to work with.

At least he notices the issues, it seems like he makes some sort of move every week. I know everyone wants him to find that diamond in the rough, but lets face it, there is no elite talent out there on the waiver wire, and how often does that really happen? There's was pretty much no way we could've brought in any top tier free agents this past off season.

Our major issue right now is coaching, which falls on RM and DA, and needs to be fixed somehow. But that'll happen with a rookie head coach, you gotta learn somehow...


Why are you under the impression that McKenzie has 2013 money to play with? or multiple high draft picks?

The Raiders have one more season to squeeze out the poison . . . . . at least. Sorry. Crying or Very sad


Agree. This is a 2 to 3 year rebuild AFTER this lost season where they could really do nothing to make over the roster in their image.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 11, 2012 10:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NickButera wrote:
All this talk about Knapp still..... what about Tarver? Our offense is still putting up slightly below average numbers, our defense is bottom of the barrel in points per game. Tarver and his unit are now performing worse than Knapp and his unit, yet no one here is talking about it.


The O is ranked last or near it in every rushing category, red-zone offense, 3rd down conversions, and 3 and outs. The stats they do produce come before the half or to end the game. Slightly below average numbers is an understatement.

On D, I'm more inclined to put the blame on Allen then I am Tarver. That's where's he's supposed to specialize and I thought Tarver's defensive experience comes in the 3-4? It'd be similar to putting offensive blame last season on Al Saunders before Hue Jackson.

Plus the talent on O is superior to the D and the D has actually had good games unlike the O.


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PostPosted: Sun Nov 11, 2012 10:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

lilcrazycat1 wrote:
am i the only one with a huge hatred for matt giordano??


No. He's the antithesis of everything wrong with Oakland's roster. He was cast off from Indy, bounced to GB a year, Atlanta and the NO and is now starting for the Raiders. Wasn't good enough to make the team in 4 locations and is STARTING in Oakland. That should tell us how poor the roster is here.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 11, 2012 10:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Baggabonez wrote:
OakRaiders3828 wrote:
oakdb36 wrote:
OakRaiders3828 wrote:
There was literally no way Reggie could have improved this team talent wise. Now coaching is a different story, but I don't see how anyone but AD can get the blame for the current state of our roster, he left Reggie nothing to work with, an I mean nothing.


He couldn't do much but what he did isn't looking very good right now.

Brisiel is far from living up to his contract.
Bartell hasn't looked good at all in the 2 games he has been able to play so far.
Spencer is done for the season.
Tollefson is doing absolutely nothing.
Wheeler isn't playing good anymore.
Branch is looking like the next overpaid Raider.

We're only getting contribution from 2 rookies so far and our highest pick has finally been allowed to step on the field in the 4th quarter of a blowout in week 10, despite him playing a position where we've struggled basically all season long.


But my thing is, how often do more than 2 late round rookies make an impact in their first season? I agree in hindsight the signings don't look great (jury is still out on some), but at the time with the limited resources he had, I think he did a good job. Unfortunately they just haven't panned out the way we would've liked but i'm curious to see what he does now that we have high draft picks and some money to work with.

At least he notices the issues, it seems like he makes some sort of move every week. I know everyone wants him to find that diamond in the rough, but lets face it, there is no elite talent out there on the waiver wire, and how often does that really happen? There's was pretty much no way we could've brought in any top tier free agents this past off season.

Our major issue right now is coaching, which falls on RM and DA, and needs to be fixed somehow. But that'll happen with a rookie head coach, you gotta learn somehow...


Why are you under the impression that McKenzie has 2013 money to play with? or multiple high draft picks?

The Raiders have one more season to squeeze out the poison . . . . . at least. Sorry. Crying or Very sad


Hopefully we drop some of these worthless dudes with big contracts. I'm no expert on the cap though, honestly I'm not too sure what we have to spend but I imagine it's more than last year.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 11, 2012 10:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ugly:

getting smoked like that even tho they didnt have ray lewis, haloti, webb and a banged up reed.

uglier:

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 11, 2012 10:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

big_palooka wrote:
OakRaiders3828 wrote:
There was literally no way Reggie could have improved this team talent wise. Now coaching is a different story, but I don't see how anyone but AD can get the blame for the current state of our roster, he left Reggie nothing to work with, an I mean nothing.


Nail in the coffin was Jackson's desperate Palmer trade. Don't forget that. That left Reggie without a 1st round pick to add much needed talent.

Bittersweet because imagine what this team would be right now without Palmer. Confused


I dont want to imagine this team without Palmer...

The good.... CArson slinging it 40+ again
HUff


Bad..... Curry 2 personal fouls
Briesel
Carson having to sling it 40+ times

Ugly...... Run Game
Refs
No creativity on O especially on run plays
GIORDANO, my goodness is Mike Mitchell really this bad, I mean he cant beat this guy out? if thats the case get rid of them both. I believe half of the players we have starting on wouldnt even be backups on other teams.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 11, 2012 11:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nodisrespect wrote:
NickButera wrote:
All this talk about Knapp still..... what about Tarver? Our offense is still putting up slightly below average numbers, our defense is bottom of the barrel in points per game. Tarver and his unit are now performing worse than Knapp and his unit, yet no one here is talking about it.
Because the offense has talent and the defense does not, i think everyone mostly agrees on that.


Agreed. I'd like to add that I don't believe Traver is much more than a glorified position coach. I believe that basically this is DA's defense evidenced by the fact that the current defense is eerily similar to Denver's and Traver's specialty is the 34 front. Traver is young (read:cheap) and is gaining valuable experience. Traver is valued for his input when the Raiders go 34.
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Nodisrespect wrote:
bitty wrote:
You guys are funny talking about 17th pick in the first round like it would've made a difference. Hue still would've been fired.The coaching will still suck. The Raiders will be in a worse situation with out Palmer.
No way its the 17th pick it would have been top 10 probably could have picked Claiborne. 17th? Really with Boller and Pryor? No way.


So what would he do to make this team better play 5 Positions?
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 11, 2012 11:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The GM and HC are going to run around like rats trying to save their jobs. They're going to blame everyone for this failure.
Not one of them will take responsibility for the way this team played tonight.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 11, 2012 11:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Its just really hard to judge Tarver. We have no CBs, LB unit it below average. D-line is a mess. 92 & 93 are done. Bryant is a nice role player but not a starter. Houston & Nasty are decent players but by no means blue chip guys. (Houston could be). IMO, the off-season plan should be simple...

New OC that believes in power blocking, vertical offense. *cough Norv Turner cough* draft a couple O-linemen. RT is a huge need.

Defense is where we need the most help, with not much money, again... Reggie will have to do his home work and find some solid players on the cheap in free agency... I'm guessing Raiders will draft a pass rusher in round 1 so that will fill a huge need. I know things are bad right now but if Raiders move on from Greg Knapp, I really believe Allen can turn things around here.
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