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RSkinGM
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| turtle28 wrote: | | RSkinGM wrote: | | mike23md wrote: | | RSkinGM wrote: | Let's just learn to draft like Pittsburgh and get our own guy.. Wallace is 2009 3rd rd pick, 84th overall..  |
Problem is that we are limited on draft picks and need to use the higher picks on issues that need to be resolved in the secondary. Especially after signing 2 WR's this offseason to fairly good contracts, drafting one would be a luxury. |
well-- maybe .. but come our second round pick I say we have to take the BPA among the DB's, Wideouts, Inside backers , even a monster TE.. |
don't forget about RT. as for TE, I'm not sure i agree. I think they will re-sign Fred. Logan is a good back up and Paul is developing pretty nicely. He's shown flashes of what he can be.
As midniteric would say, it all depends on what we do in free agency. That will determine what positions we will target in the draft. |
I'm oK with RT,,Polumbus, Brown, Compton .. Adequate. I still want one of those Gronk type TE's! AND I'm worried Fred may never be FRED again.. serious injury.. |
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DCRED
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| Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 9:21 am Post subject: |
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| RSkinGM wrote: | | turtle28 wrote: | | RSkinGM wrote: | | mike23md wrote: | | RSkinGM wrote: | | Let's just learn to draft like Pittsburgh and get our own guy.. Wallace is 2009 3rd rd pick, 84th overall.. |
Problem is that we are limited on draft picks and need to use the higher picks on issues that need to be resolved in the secondary. Especially after signing 2 WR's this offseason to fairly good contracts, drafting one would be a luxury. |
well-- maybe .. but come our second round pick I say we have to take the BPA among the DB's, Wideouts, Inside backers , even a monster TE.. |
don't forget about RT. as for TE, I'm not sure i agree. I think they will re-sign Fred. Logan is a good back up and Paul is developing pretty nicely. He's shown flashes of what he can be.
As midniteric would say, it all depends on what we do in free agency. That will determine what positions we will target in the draft. |
I'm oK with RT,,Polumbus, Brown, Compton .. Adequate. I still want one of those Gronk type TE's! AND I'm worried Fred may never be FRED again.. serious injury.. |
I HEAR You on the Gronk type TE!!! And never been sold on Davis anyway, but I'd love for us to have a Beast at TE
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turtle28
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| Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 2:09 pm Post subject: |
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So TE and Wr at the expense of DBs and a RT prospect?
Yeah, that makes sense... 
Hello losing season in 2013... 
Why don't we take a 2nd round qb also. Just for ish and giggles.
Jk guys, but yeah I don't have either position high on my list this year. Possibly next year though.
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RSkinGM
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| Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 3:09 pm Post subject: |
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| turtle28 wrote: | So TE and Wr at the expense of DBs and a RT prospect?
Yeah, that makes sense...
Hello losing season in 2013...
Why don't we take a 2nd round qb also. Just for ish and giggles.
Jk guys, but yeah I don't have either position high on my list this year. Possibly next year though. |
Now Turtle, somewhere back in this post ,, or was it another one ? anyway ,,I said BPA among DB's, Wideouts, ILB and and yes,,if a MONSTER TE happens to be there ..  |
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turtle28
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| Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 6:02 pm Post subject: |
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| RSkinGM wrote: | | turtle28 wrote: | So TE and Wr at the expense of DBs and a RT prospect?
Yeah, that makes sense...
Hello losing season in 2013...
Why don't we take a 2nd round qb also. Just for ish and giggles.
Jk guys, but yeah I don't have either position high on my list this year. Possibly next year though. |
Now Turtle, somewhere back in this post ,, or was it another one ? anyway ,,I said BPA among DB's, Wideouts, ILB and and yes,,if a MONSTER TE happens to be there .. |
there are no Gronk's in this draft. gronk is a one in a generation talent at the TE positon, if there was one like him available id take him of course, but there isn't.
so, to me, even if Davis is Gone. Paulsen and Paul are capable of replacing that production. Logan has been damn solid since Davis went down 4 to 5 receptions a game, and Paul is only going to improve this offseason for next year.
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RSkinGM
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Paulsen is THE classic overachiver and I love his work ethic..,, He just doesn't have ,,,speed.. Paul has very good speed but not size.. and injury and contract --Fred may not be back. T E has become a position of need all of a sudden.
I've been checking Walter prospects and I agree ---no Gronks this year.. A couple of T E's worth a 3rd pick. |
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DCRED
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| Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2012 10:22 am Post subject: |
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| turtle28 wrote: | So TE and Wr at the expense of DBs and a RT prospect?
Yeah, that makes sense...
Hello losing season in 2013...
Why don't we take a 2nd round qb also. Just for ish and giggles.
Jk guys, but yeah I don't have either position high on my list this year. Possibly next year though. |
Let's all overreact!!!!!
We got our RB in the 6th round remember? Maybe we can take a chance on a TE later in the draft??? I know our team needs I was just saying yes it would be nice to find a Beast TE. Jeez no one can dream any more 
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The first 3 picks in the draft have to be spent on defensive players. Griffin has proved that he can score points, along with Morris with our current offense. What the Redskins need is a defense that can stop the other team from scoring points.
Also I so want to see D.Hall move to Free Safety for a couple games before the season ends. I think that would be his best position at the moment. |
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mike23md
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| Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2012 11:08 am Post subject: |
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| DCRED wrote: | | turtle28 wrote: | So TE and Wr at the expense of DBs and a RT prospect?
Yeah, that makes sense...
Hello losing season in 2013...
Why don't we take a 2nd round qb also. Just for ish and giggles.
Jk guys, but yeah I don't have either position high on my list this year. Possibly next year though. |
Let's all overreact!!!!!
We got our RB in the 6th round remember? Maybe we can take a chance on a TE later in the draft??? I know our team needs I was just saying yes it would be nice to find a Beast TE. Jeez no one can dream any more |
For some reason I feel as though we are living out the teaser to a summer release. We see that we can have just a little bit of vision into the future and now all of a sudden we should gut everything and upgrade positions that dont need upgrading.
Kyle's offense is not focused around the TE and the middle of the field. Primarly it is to run the ball to set up play action using multiple fronts to confuse defenses and acquiesce to the QB strengths. The Redskins are not NE. They focus on a spread offense that entails under routes which include RB's , slot WR's which are small, and TE's that are mobile, but can block as well. Hence why they dont really have a true #1 WR. Cause no matter how you slice it, Welker is not a #1 and neither is Lloyd.
That is not our offense. Davis will suit our offense well when he has had a full off season to actually work with RGIII and be healthy.
The teaser should be about the defense, and not some monster TE. Seriously? We don't have the picks to actually use on a TE. It is the one spot that we are pretty solid at, minus an injury. Can we find a guy in the 5th that is agile and can block? I would love to, because I dont like Paul playing the TE spot.
But again, I feel that is a luxury more than a need. People just need to calm down and let the progression of the offense come to RGIII instead of wishing for things that we dont need to be something that the Redskins are not and have never been.
The closest thing to the Redskins being the New England Patriots was some 80 years ago when the Redskins were the Boston Braves.
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turtle28
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| Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2012 1:58 pm Post subject: |
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| RSkinGM wrote: | Paulsen is THE classic overachiver and I love his work ethic..,, He just doesn't have ,,,speed.. Paul has very good speed but not size.. and injury and contract --Fred may not be back. T E has become a position of need all of a sudden.
I've been checking Walter prospects and I agree ---no Gronks this year.. A couple of T E's worth a 3rd pick. |
who cares? He's a tight end. The giants won a Super Bowl with Ballard (who's slower than Paulsen) as their TE. Heath miller is the steelers TE and they've been to 3 Super Bowls with him, Winning 2. Speed is a luxury at that position, not a necessity.
You are putting too much stock in the position.
And Paul has the speed anyways. Lets continue to develop both guys and put our resources elsewhere (DB&OT) to make us the best team we can be from 1 to 53
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| Griff3 wrote: | The first 3 picks in the draft have to be spent on defensive players. Griffin has proved that he can score points, along with Morris with our current offense. What the Redskins need is a defense that can stop the other team from scoring points.
Also I so want to see D.Hall move to Free Safety for a couple games before the season ends. I think that would be his best position at the moment. |
id like to see DHall at FS also the last few games so you all can see what a horrible idea it is, then cut him ASAP
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| Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2012 2:22 pm Post subject: |
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| turtle28 wrote: | | Griff3 wrote: | The first 3 picks in the draft have to be spent on defensive players. Griffin has proved that he can score points, along with Morris with our current offense. What the Redskins need is a defense that can stop the other team from scoring points.
Also I so want to see D.Hall move to Free Safety for a couple games before the season ends. I think that would be his best position at the moment. |
id like to see DHall at FS also the last few games so you all can see what a horrible idea it is, then cut him ASAP |
ME TOO turtle!!!
Also mike23md, VERY nice post about the TE being a luxury position for our Offense. Istill want two burners on the outside to take advantage of RG3's deep ball lol. But I totally get and agree with what you are saying about the TE position. And turtle also good point about the NYG winning with Ballard and Steelers with Miller
From what you guys are saying we should be set with Paulsen, Davis, and Paul
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Niles Paul is a Hybrid TE/H-back, he has his own position and has done well at it.
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Man, The Giants are now weak at T E and struggling on O, The Cowboys-- go to man-Whitten. Patriots-Gronk, Atlanta Gonzales, etc. Watch Celek kill us Sunday --The better teams have,,and make great use of talented T E..'s.. It's not a luxury IMO,, so we'll shake hands and see what happens..  |
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turtle28
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| footy_29 wrote: | | Niles Paul is a Hybrid TE/H-back, he has his own position and has done well at it. |
for the most part I agree. He's been blown up on a few blocks that I've seen. IMO he still needs to get stronger and an end line blocker vs DEs and lbs.
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