Gotta ask this again... Mike Wallace in 2013?

turtle28 · Last edited by turtle28 on Sat Nov 10, 2012 3:55 pm; edited 2 times in total

If mike Wallace can't strike a deal with the steelers this march he will be a free agent. The steelers don't franchise players, so that's not a concern. I know we don't have much cap room but I think we can get him with a deal like we gave Garçon or a deal like the steelers gave Antonio Brown. Dwayne Bowe is going to cost Fitzgerald $$ IMO and we just don't have the room to get him. So, a conciliation prize would be getting a burner and big time playmaker like Wallace. Wallace and Garçon together on the field would as unstoppable as Antonio Brown and Wallace. It would give Griffin a tremendous set of weapons.

I advocate this:

1. Cut D Hall
2. Cut Fletcher Sad

3. Cut Santana Moss

Sign:

1. Mike Wallace
2. Jarius Byrd
3. Sam Shields

Footy29 has mentioned he feels that the league will reduce our salary cap penalty this year and I do agree with him. They made their point last year, now it's time to bring fairness back and cut our penalty this year at least in half. It's not like we got a competitive advantage here, the players we signed to contracts to we're scrubs Haynesworth and Hall. Confused

We screwed ourselves there.

Footy29, is it possible we can sign these 3 guys in FA?

If we did. Then in the draft I'd look to sign the BA tackle prospecting round 2 and in Round 3, I'd sign the best available DB. From then on I'd go BPA throughout. I'd still sign Kenny Tate also as a late round pick if he's available. Hopefully we can wait tilt the 7th round.
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DCRED · Joined: 07 Jun 2010 Posts: 2351 Location: USA

I could go for this, turtle.
Getting another established WR-- not having to wait and develop him would be huge. Would also allow us to address other positions of need in the draft and we already have guys we are trying to develop at WR.

I agree with your cuts, although I don't relish the idea of cutting Fletcher either. I hope he decides to retire a Redskin after this year.

But I love those FA additions. We are going to have to be aggressive in the FA market like we were last year if we want to complete our team. We couldn't get guys like Carr and a few others we would have liked. We will probably miss out on a few this year too. But Hopefully Griffin (and a new DC?) brings players here
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Dro · Joined: 28 Dec 2010 Posts: 273

Wallace will want Fitz type money.
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turtle28 · Posted: Sat Nov 10, 2012 11:08 am Post subject:

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Marcus21 · Joined: 19 Mar 2012 Posts: 425 Location: North Carolina

He will get more money than Vincent Jachson, and we cant afford that. I think the money would be better spent else where. I would love to get DRC from philly, and I think he would be less than Wallace.

lavar703 · Joined: 12 Jan 2009 Posts: 4832

I would give him the same deal we gave Pierre Garcon but nothing more. We can't afford to have to much money tied up in the receiver position.
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With no 1st RD pick and the cap penalty, Charlie Casserly was asked how do they get it done? He said that they needed to be diligent to find value. That given the cap was going to remain flat, a lot of teams will be tightening their spending habits. That may work to the Redskins advantage. Meaning there may be a surplus of talent available. What might hurt them is that while there has always been a salary cap, in 2013 there will now be a floor. High revenue owners like Snyder & Jones were fed up with small market owners taking shared revenue, meant to help them remain competitive and simply pocketing it. So now there'll be a minimum each team must spend, which may mean more teams competing for the same players.

I too think Wallace is a fine player but believe the team will place their focus elsewhere. I also agree that this team simply can't afford to carry guys like De' Hall, Moss & yes, London Fletcher. One thing that'll help & this has been mentioned elsewhere, is that when a team comes in under the cap, that savings can be credited or carried over to the following year. My understanding is that since the Redskins were going to end up somewhere between $4 & $5M under the this year's cap, next year's penalty would be between $13 & $14M, rather than $18M. Of course, that was before they brought Cooley back & some of these other moves of late.

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footy_29 · Posted: Sat Nov 10, 2012 3:08 pm Post subject:

Not a chance.

I see the logic - vertical threat who can take the top off any defense, and he's still young so his best years could be ahead of him - but he wants a huge contract and frankly I do not think he is a great locker room addition.

He's a ME player first and foremost, and this team has done a great job of moving away from those players. DeAngelo Hall is the last of them that I can think of.

I am 95% sure that the team does not express any interest.
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turtle28 · Posted: Sat Nov 10, 2012 3:56 pm Post subject:

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Do we even need him? Our offense moves fine without Garcon. Lets get Garcon back and see how much of an improvement we have.
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mike23md · Joined: 21 Jan 2007 Posts: 6494

The issue with Mike Wallace last year was that he was a RFA. And his tender was set high. This year, he will be a UFA and while he is having a good year, is it enough to substantiate Fitzgerald money? I don't think so. He doesn't have the leverage.

Will he be cheap. No, but addressing the salary cap floor does become a bit of a problem when it comes to seeing if the Skins can get a deal out of him. This means that a lot of the higher quality FA's are going to get offers from teams that normally wouldnt spend to get above the salary cap floor. Which now makes this a real crap shoot in who is going to overspend on a player to get above the salary cap floor and take away players that could actually be available to teams that actually need them.

Then there is the attitude. This is where his leverage is lost. No teams are really willing to deal with a ME player and that is going to hurt the amount of money he could have made.

His talent, however, is hard to pass up and the ability to stretch the defense makes him very desirable. Having RGIII here could also make D.C. a potential landing spot. There is excitement surrounding the Skins right now.

Do I agree with going full bore on a WR when we signed 2 last year? No. But that is about a 60-40 no. Josh Morgan is NOT a #2 and is struggling to be a #3. Hankerson has apparently proven he can be a starter but he has yet to show quality production. Dez Briscoe and Aldrick Robinson should be the 4th and 5th WR's respectively and Banks should be gone. Moss will be let go as well.

The key to signing Mike Wallace would be the ability to stretch the field and open up that run game. Morris has been superb this season and his vision is exceptional. Having Garcon, Wallace, and Davis on the field, with Morgan in the slot, will seriously help the run game, the development of RGIII into a pocket passer, and the team overall.

But, with all seriousness involved here, the defense cannot and should not be ignored. It is time step away from Fletcher and Hall. Bring is a guy like Byrd who is dependable and look to the draft to get some young guys in that secondary.

Possible CB FA's:
Sam Shields
Jason McCourtey
Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie

Possible S FA not named Byrd:
Kenny Phillips

And maybe Andre Smith for the RT spot.
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