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PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2012 5:53 pm    Post subject: Johnny Football Manziel Reply with quote

I know this guy is young, but what do you guys think about his future in the NFL?
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2012 6:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd say it depends on how tall he actually is... but the fact that Russell Wilson has gotten a chance and hasn't messed it up too badly bodes well. Aside from the technical aspects of the game that he should learn as he spends more time as a starter, he needs to mature as a leader. He's very passionate about the game, but hasn't learned to lead from what I've observed -- regularly cussing out teammates after bad drives, hiding his head underneath a towel on the bench when the game is tight, etc.

If he's under 6'0, he's not a viable NFL starter in all likelihood. But if he can even hit 6'0 or 6'1 then I think he'll get a shot.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2012 6:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Colt McCoy
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2012 8:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Future 1st rounder.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2012 10:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

c0insnap wrote:
Colt McCoy


Was coming here to post this.

Colt McCoy v. 2.0. Has a better arm, though.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2012 11:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Colt McCoy sounds right. Also think he could get drafted early, but I see him as a middle of the pack-bottom feeder starter at best.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 10, 2012 12:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why is he Colt McCoy and not Aaron Rodgers or Robert Griffin?
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 10, 2012 12:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If he improves as a passer, he's easily a top 15 pick in 2015 or 2016.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 10, 2012 5:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Better athlete than Colt but McCoy was a more polished passer at the same age. Really looking forward to watching him tomorrow.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 10, 2012 6:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

He's sure fun to watch, he runs around like a chicken legged crazy man out there. He appears to have the requisite arm strength and athleticism you look for and them some but it's hard to say how high he'll get drafted because they key will be to see how he develops as a passer. He's a fantastic playmaker early in his career.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 10, 2012 11:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

His built is awful for transitioning to the pros He looks barely 6 feet and 10 lbs shy of 200 lbs.... Look at R.Wilson and you see he is just solid and well built specially around the chest and upper thighs a lot like McNabb was when he first came out of Syracuse. Johnny Manziel is interesting but hes not special or does he have tools to transition to the next level but some one will take him outside of the top 60 picks.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 10, 2012 11:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bednarik60 wrote:
His built is awful for transitioning to the pros He looks barely 6 feet and 10 lbs shy of 200 lbs.... Look at R.Wilson and you see he is just solid and well built specially around the chest and upper thighs a lot like McNabb was when he first came out of Syracuse. Johnny Manziel is interesting but hes not special or does he have tools to transition to the next level but some one will take him outside of the top 60 picks.


Good analysis and this answers the poster who asks why Colt McCoy instead of Aaron Rodgers or RGIII. Other than the obvious fact that he plays like neither of them, his build is nothing like theirs either. While Rodgers isn't huge, he's got a really solid frame and is put together. This kid is thin and will get hurt.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 10, 2012 11:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bednarik60 wrote:
His built is awful for transitioning to the pros He looks barely 6 feet and 10 lbs shy of 200 lbs.... Look at R.Wilson and you see he is just solid and well built specially around the chest and upper thighs a lot like McNabb was when he first came out of Syracuse. Johnny Manziel is interesting but hes not special or does he have tools to transition to the next level but some one will take him outside of the top 60 picks.


Not special? He's the best player in college football and he's a freshman.
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kenney wrote:
Bednarik60 wrote:
His built is awful for transitioning to the pros He looks barely 6 feet and 10 lbs shy of 200 lbs.... Look at R.Wilson and you see he is just solid and well built specially around the chest and upper thighs a lot like McNabb was when he first came out of Syracuse. Johnny Manziel is interesting but hes not special or does he have tools to transition to the next level but some one will take him outside of the top 60 picks.


Not special? He's the best player in college football and he's a freshman.


That's an opinion, not a fact. He has [inappropriate/removed] his pants against LSU, Florida and Ole Miss. Best player in his sport would rise to the occasion against the best competition, no?
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c0insnap wrote:
Bednarik60 wrote:
His built is awful for transitioning to the pros He looks barely 6 feet and 10 lbs shy of 200 lbs.... Look at R.Wilson and you see he is just solid and well built specially around the chest and upper thighs a lot like McNabb was when he first came out of Syracuse. Johnny Manziel is interesting but hes not special or does he have tools to transition to the next level but some one will take him outside of the top 60 picks.


Good analysis and this answers the poster who asks why Colt McCoy instead of Aaron Rodgers or RGIII. Other than the obvious fact that he plays like neither of them, his build is nothing like theirs either. While Rodgers isn't huge, he's got a really solid frame and is put together. This kid is thin and will get hurt.


He doesn't play like either of them? Are you guys even watching him?

Beautiful throwing motion that compensates for his height, great elusiveness and athleticism, accurate, and a good head for reading defenses. He's 200 pounds and has at least two more off seasons to put on some bulk and work on learning the game better.

Manziel as a freshman is a better player than Griffin was as a freshman. He's a much better passer and Griffin was just as slight with the same propensity to run in the same offense early in his career.
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