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First of all, let’s get the more blatant statements in this thread out of the way:
1. Travel outside of the solar system is flat out impossible until we figure out FTL travel (if it is possible) or something equally as impressive.
2. Venus is not inhabitable. Period.
3. You do not end up in the future if you travel near the speed of light. That is not how relativity works.
Now, regarding a permanent human civilization off of Earth…. The amount of energy (see: $$$) to get to Mars is absurd. Sending a fully equipped manned mission to Mars would cost trillions of dollars, and getting enough material there to build a sustainable infrastructure would be exponentially more than that. It isn’t happening any time soon even if we currently had the technology, which we don’t.
Terraforming Mars is one route, but it would still cost more than it is worth at this point, and would take thousands of years. Getting to the moon is much easier, but getting all the material to build an infrastructure on the moon would still be a massive undertaking and would be hundreds of billions of dollars. And once you get there, you are on the moon. Yay. There is no reason to do it.
Basically, until there are some major breakthroughs in theoretical physics we aren’t going anywhere.
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| Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2012 1:28 pm Post subject: |
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| [UMN] wrote: | | 3. You do not end up in the future if you travel near the speed of light. That is not how relativity works. |
I disagree. I drive in my car, no where near the speed of light, and I never get where I'm going at the same time I started. I imagine the same concept holds true for traveling at the speed of light.
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| Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2012 1:45 pm Post subject: |
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| [UMN] wrote: | | 2. Venus is not inhabitable. Period. |
Assuming you mean "habitable" here?
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| Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2012 1:48 pm Post subject: |
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| fretgod99 wrote: | | [UMN] wrote: | | 2. Venus is not inhabitable. Period. |
Assuming you mean "habitable" here? |
I believe 'inhabitable' is the correct usage here, but I could be wrong.
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| Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2012 2:01 pm Post subject: |
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| iPwn wrote: | | [UMN] wrote: | | 3. You do not end up in the future if you travel near the speed of light. That is not how relativity works. |
I disagree. I drive in my car, no where near the speed of light, and I never get where I'm going at the same time I started. I imagine the same concept holds true for traveling at the speed of light. |
 Sarcasm aside, I imagine he's referring to the misunderstanding of time dilation.
Though perhaps it was more of an example of inartful wording as opposed to an actual misunderstanding. You don't travel into the future, but you do experience the passage of time more slowly than your stationary counterparts.
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| Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2012 2:02 pm Post subject: |
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| [UMN] wrote: | | fretgod99 wrote: | | [UMN] wrote: | | 2. Venus is not inhabitable. Period. |
Assuming you mean "habitable" here? |
I believe 'inhabitable' is the correct usage here, but I could be wrong. |
Wow. For whatever reason I threw an "un" when I was reading that in my head. Sorry. Yeah, "inhabitable" is fine. Oddly enough, so is "habitable". Apparently I was going archaic when I read your post. My apologies.
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| Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2012 2:09 pm Post subject: |
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| fretgod99 wrote: | | iPwn wrote: | | [UMN] wrote: | | 3. You do not end up in the future if you travel near the speed of light. That is not how relativity works. |
I disagree. I drive in my car, no where near the speed of light, and I never get where I'm going at the same time I started. I imagine the same concept holds true for traveling at the speed of light. |
Sarcasm aside, I imagine he's referring to the misunderstanding of time dilation.
Though perhaps it was more of an example of inartful wording as opposed to an actual misunderstanding. You don't travel into the future, but you do experience the passage of time more slowly than your stationary counterparts. |
OK, there we go. that sounds much better.
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| Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2012 2:10 pm Post subject: |
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| iPwn wrote: | | [UMN] wrote: | | 3. You do not end up in the future if you travel near the speed of light. That is not how relativity works. |
I disagree. I drive in my car, no where near the speed of light, and I never get where I'm going at the same time I started. |
it all depends whether you're driving fast enough to beat the traffic light. thus, faster than the light speed.
hey, i've read more preposterous stuff in here.
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| Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2012 2:11 pm Post subject: |
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| fretgod99 wrote: | | You don't travel into the future, but you do experience the passage of time more slowly than your stationary counterparts. |
I watched Clockstoppers too, fret.
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| Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2012 2:13 pm Post subject: |
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| fretgod99 wrote: | | [UMN] wrote: | | 2. Venus is not inhabitable. Period. |
Assuming you mean "habitable" here? |
i use to live with a girl named Venus, true story.
does that mean we were co-habitating...?
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| vike daddy wrote: | | fretgod99 wrote: | | [UMN] wrote: | | 2. Venus is not inhabitable. Period. |
Assuming you mean "habitable" here? |
i use to live with a girl named Venus, true story. |
Banana-rama! 
Goddes on the mountaintop!
Burning like a silver flame!
The summit of beauty and love!
And Venus was her name!
WAAAAAOOOOOW!
She's got it!
Yeah baby, she got it!
[keyboard riff]
I'm your Venus!
I'm your fire!
With your desire!
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| Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2012 2:25 pm Post subject: |
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| iPwn wrote: | | fretgod99 wrote: | | You don't travel into the future, but you do experience the passage of time more slowly than your stationary counterparts. |
I watched Clockstoppers too, fret. |
True story, never heard of it. Was it as awful as it looks?
And that explanation was more for those of us not to be played by NDT in an upcoming epic movie release.
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| Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2012 3:18 pm Post subject: |
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| fretgod99 wrote: | | iPwn wrote: | | fretgod99 wrote: | | You don't travel into the future, but you do experience the passage of time more slowly than your stationary counterparts. |
I watched Clockstoppers too, fret. |
True story, never heard of it. Was it as awful as it looks?
And that explanation was more for those of us not to be played by NDT in an upcoming epic movie release. |
Last time I watched it, it was with a girl. And I fell asleep. So that should give you your answer.
It was something about a watch that could speed up you up at the molecular level to the speed of light, allowing you to do almost anything while everything else stood still. Lots of amazing and fun stuff could have been done with this. Instead, they had to save the world. Or something.
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| Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2012 3:38 pm Post subject: |
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| iPwn wrote: | | It was something about a watch that could speed up you up at the molecular level to the speed of light, allowing you to do almost anything while everything else stood still. Lots of amazing and fun stuff could have been done with this. Instead, they had to save the world. Or something. |
Why would you do that? Isn't that the opportune time to burn stuff to the ground?
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| Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2012 3:58 pm Post subject: |
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| iPwn wrote: | | It was something about a watch that could speed up you up at the molecular level to the speed of light, allowing you to do almost anything while everything else stood still. |
hmm, that was a 1960's Twilight Zone episode starring Burgess Meredith as a geeky, bullied librarian. since nearly every TZ script dealt with irony as its plot device, Meredith embraced being alone in the world and reveled in being able to read any book he wanted now.
but then he broke his glasses and couldn't see.
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