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ArcticNorseman
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Nicely entertaining read 
Not really ... this team has 3, maybe 4 blue chip starters in Adrian, Percy, Allen, and quite possibly Kali.
Trading any one of these would be a stupid move. The likelihood the team would get equal value is nill. The team is not in major re-building mode - that was last year. |
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vikingsrule
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| I guess most would argue that LaDainian Tomlinson's career went to waste too. |
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vike daddy
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| vikingsrule wrote: | | I guess most would argue that LaDainian Tomlinson's career went to waste too. |
for that matter, every blue chip running back who never won a Super Bowl or regularly competed for one.
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thestonedkoala
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| Posted: Sat Nov 10, 2012 4:46 pm Post subject: |
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| vikingsrule wrote: | | I guess most would argue that LaDainian Tomlinson's career went to waste too. |
Except that Tomlinson and the Chargers competed every year for the playoffs and made it.
6 of his 10 years were in the playoffs...(technically 5 since he played little role in the Jets playoffs)...and all of them came during his prime years (around 28-32). 2004-2009 (born in 1979...25-30) when he was at the peak of his game.
Peterson has made it to the playoffs twice back to back 2008. 2009. I would say if we continued to be competitive and make the playoffs from 2008-now, we wouldn't be having this argument at all. But given the short lives of running backs...
BTW; what is the biggest issue with Sanders? Why he retired early? Because the Lions never really competed. They never really built that team. And people always lament the fact that one of the best backs in football never got a chance to get to the Super Bowl. |
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vikingsrule
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| Tomlinson also had the opportunity to play with some elite QBs. The likelihood of him competing in the playoffs was greater, and the fact that the Chargers never won a ring despite all of this, perhaps the Chargers wasted even more opportunities than the Vikes did. I guess I dont understand the logic, if your consistently going to the playoffs and not winning titles, arent you wasting elite RBs just as well. |
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vike daddy
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| Posted: Sat Nov 10, 2012 5:37 pm Post subject: Re: Adrian Peterson - Are we wasting his best years? |
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| thestonedkoala wrote: | | I got to wonder if Peterson wouldn't be best served as a trade chip to help the rebuilding process and at least give him a chance to get a ring. |
the bottom line is Peterson has made no claims to this being true or something he wants to see happen.
so your entire argument in this thread, which you frame in terms of what's best for Peterson, is nothing of the sort.
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vikingsrule
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| Posted: Sat Nov 10, 2012 6:41 pm Post subject: Re: Adrian Peterson - Are we wasting his best years? |
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| vike daddy wrote: | | thestonedkoala wrote: | | I got to wonder if Peterson wouldn't be best served as a trade chip to help the rebuilding process and at least give him a chance to get a ring. |
the bottom line is Peterson has made no claims to this being true or something he wants to see happen.
so your entire argument in this thread, which you frame in terms of what's best for Peterson, is nothing of the sort. |
If Peterson was so concerned about getting a ring and leaving the Vikings to do it, you would think that he wouldnt have signed that mega deal just last year. If Peterson expressed any desire to leave to play on a contender, he would have refused to negotiate. Peterson didnt so i can assume he was quite comfortable with his situation as a Viking. |
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Klomp
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| Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2012 2:29 am Post subject: |
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This is the same line of thinking that causes super-teams to form in the NBA.
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ArcticNorseman
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| Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2012 3:58 am Post subject: |
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Klomp . . . ??? I'm not sure I'm understanding what you're trying to convey, but there have been a few NFLers that changed teams to get a championship . . . Reggie White and Deion Sanders come to mind, but very few other superstars have changed teams and actually won the ring.
In the NBA, the team needs 2 or 3 stars with 7 or 8 other good guys. In the NHL, Ray Borque went to the Avalanche and got his . . . MLB, A-Rod to the Yanks . . . Garnett to the Celtics . . . no matter the sport, it doesn't happen a lot.
In the NFL, the game has so many components, one guy doesn't normally make the difference -- it's talent with team chemistry that does make the difference.
This Vikings team doesn't have extreme divas or highly publicized "me-first" guys. Some may think Adrian is selfish because he wants the ball . . . as would any guy that can change a game on any given play. Watching Adrian's interviews, seeing him on the field, you'd have to be ignorant to think he's anything but a consummate professional and total leader. No one in the Vikings organization would want that to vanish anytime soon.
When Adrian's ready to leave the Vikings, I hope it's to retire after a great 13 or 14+ year career with that elusive SB ring. So, the organization has about 6 or 7 years to get there . . . imagine how the guys of the team from the 70s felt, they got there but never claimed the ring . . . when it happens next, let's hope they finish  |
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Klomp
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We've got a superstar who WANTS to be here. Why are we wanting to trade him? He knows we are rebuilding, and if he felt we were wasting his prime, he would have signed somewhere like Dallas when he had the chance.
Would trading him give us value in return? Most likely. But are a bunch of young guys and draft picks going to be enough to get fans to the games when we play at TCF Bank Stadium? I don't think so. Right now, Adrian is one of the only things drawing fans to games. Without him, we'd likely be facing weekly threats of blackouts.
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From my perspective I don't view the topic about whether or no they should trade Peterson. I view it as the team should be attempting to do everything in their power to move assets around to bring in more higher end players. Not to mention get this quarterback situation figured and stable/productive.
In that sense, yes they are wasting Peterson's prime. But no, he's one of the last players they should consider moving.
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| Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2012 5:03 pm Post subject: |
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| thestonedkoala wrote: |
BTW; what is the biggest issue with Sanders? Why he retired early? Because the Lions never really competed. They never really built that team. And people always lament the fact that one of the best backs in football never got a chance to get to the Super Bowl. |
The Lions made the playoffs 5 of his 9 years, including a visit to the NFC Championship Game. You must have confused him with someone else.
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PrplChilPill
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| Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2012 5:09 pm Post subject: |
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| this providence wrote: | From my perspective I don't view the topic about whether or no they should trade Peterson. I view it as the team should be attempting to do everything in their power to move assets around to bring in more higher end players. Not to mention get this quarterback situation figured and stable/productive.
In that sense, yes they are wasting Peterson's prime. But no, he's one of the last players they should consider moving. |
Right. Sign a starter, not a second tight end. That is my issue, not trading him, but doing what it takes to win now without trading every draft oick to do so.
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vikingsrule
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| PrplChilPill wrote: | | this providence wrote: | From my perspective I don't view the topic about whether or no they should trade Peterson. I view it as the team should be attempting to do everything in their power to move assets around to bring in more higher end players. Not to mention get this quarterback situation figured and stable/productive.
In that sense, yes they are wasting Peterson's prime. But no, he's one of the last players they should consider moving. |
Right. Sign a starter, not a second tight end. That is my issue, not trading him, but doing what it takes to win now without trading every draft oick to do so. |
Let's keep it to Peterson, we've got plenty of threads to discuss your concerns regarding this issue. |
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| Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2012 7:32 pm Post subject: |
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No, the Vikings pay him for his talents. If anything the Vikings are wasting money on him as he obviously hasn't produced a SB for the Vikings. (Well that's not true since they prolly make a lot of money via other purchases lol) but my point basically stands.
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