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Entropy
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| mistakebytehlak wrote: | | DawgSoldier wrote: | | Correlation does not imply causation. Nor does it refute it ether. |
You're both wrong.
Its just something they tell to inexperienced researchers because they have no idea how to do anything with statistics.
There's a branch of statistics that deals with this exact paradox. If correlation does not imply causation, then how do we prove anything is caused by anything? |
Yes.
Actually, correlation can directly imply causation, it just doesn't usually prove it to a "100%" level.
Examination of the research methods can add enough weight to "prove" causation to a significant level.
And yeah, why the heck does anyone think Gruden, given the same circumstances, would be much better than Shurmur?
I mean, other than he had more success with teams that were already pretty experienced.
Gruden hasn't really helped build a young team, very few coaches have had any success with that.
And hey, anyone really think that Dungy couldn't have taken the Bucs to the SB the next year had he stayed?
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DawgSoldier
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| Entropy wrote: | | mistakebytehlak wrote: | | DawgSoldier wrote: | | Correlation does not imply causation. Nor does it refute it ether. |
You're both wrong.
Its just something they tell to inexperienced researchers because they have no idea how to do anything with statistics.
There's a branch of statistics that deals with this exact paradox. If correlation does not imply causation, then how do we prove anything is caused by anything? |
Yes.
Actually, correlation can directly imply causation, it just doesn't usually prove it to a "100%" level.
Examination of the research methods can add enough weight to "prove" causation to a significant level.
And yeah, why the heck does anyone think Gruden, given the same circumstances, would be much better than Shurmur?
I mean, other than he had more success with teams that were already pretty experienced.
Gruden hasn't really helped build a young team, very few coaches have had any success with that.
And hey, anyone really think that Dungy couldn't have taken the Bucs to the SB the next year had he stayed? |
nope. because Gruden pushed both the D and O to higher standards. Dungi never pushed the O in TB. He needed a HoF QB in Indi to win.
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Dawgpoun8017
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| Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2012 2:13 pm Post subject: |
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| DawgSoldier wrote: | | Entropy wrote: | | mistakebytehlak wrote: | | DawgSoldier wrote: | | Correlation does not imply causation. Nor does it refute it ether. |
You're both wrong.
Its just something they tell to inexperienced researchers because they have no idea how to do anything with statistics.
There's a branch of statistics that deals with this exact paradox. If correlation does not imply causation, then how do we prove anything is caused by anything? |
Yes.
Actually, correlation can directly imply causation, it just doesn't usually prove it to a "100%" level.
Examination of the research methods can add enough weight to "prove" causation to a significant level.
And yeah, why the heck does anyone think Gruden, given the same circumstances, would be much better than Shurmur?
I mean, other than he had more success with teams that were already pretty experienced.
Gruden hasn't really helped build a young team, very few coaches have had any success with that.
And hey, anyone really think that Dungy couldn't have taken the Bucs to the SB the next year had he stayed? |
nope. because Gruden pushed both the D and O to higher standards. Dungi never pushed the O in TB. He needed a HoF QB in Indi to win. |
Gruden isn't half the coach dungy is
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mkk
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| This is not news. you only need to change the date on article, its like crime in the ghetto or violence in middle east. |
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DawgSoldier
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@Dawgpoun8017 Then why could Gruden get more out of TB then Dungy could?
And then why did Dungy need a HoF QB to get a ring and Gruden didn't?
Am I saying Dungy is a bad coach no. But Gruden needed Monti Kiffen to his ring adn Dungy needed Peyton manning to get his.
So basically the way I see it is a draw as an offensive coach needed a strong defense to get his ring: Gruden. And a defensive coach needed a strong offence to get his: Dungy.
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Everybody
Needs somebody
Sometime
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Dawgpoun8017
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| DawgSoldier wrote: | @Dawgpoun8017 Then why could Gruden get more out of TB then Dungy could?
And then why did Dungy need a HoF QB to get a ring and Gruden didn't?
Am I saying Dungy is a bad coach no. But Gruden needed Monti Kiffen to his ring adn Dungy needed Peyton manning to get his.
So basically the way I see it is a draw as an offensive coach needed a strong defense to get his ring: Gruden. And a defensive coach needed a strong offence to get his: Dungy. |
Sweet..... Cowher needed Ben, Seifert needed Montana and rice, holmgren needed favre. I can play this game too
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