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YlionsY
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| Vikefan79 wrote: | | YlionsY wrote: |
On paper we are a better team but they are 2-0 against us. Since we can't make the necessary adjustments or be disciplined we can't win these games we are "supposed" to win.
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See I don't see that at all. When I look at the rosters I see a much more talented team in Minnesota. |
I disagree but okay. Don't have the time to go through the rosters right now but I think overall we are better.
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| Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 12:22 am Post subject: |
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| Vikefan79 wrote: | | YlionsY wrote: |
On paper we are a better team but they are 2-0 against us. Since we can't make the necessary adjustments or be disciplined we can't win these games we are "supposed" to win.
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See I don't see that at all. When I look at the rosters I see a much more talented team in Minnesota. |
I feel like you're in the minority, but everyone has their opinion.
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Vikefan79
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| Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 12:32 am Post subject: |
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| Nnivolcm wrote: | | Vikefan79 wrote: | | YlionsY wrote: |
On paper we are a better team but they are 2-0 against us. Since we can't make the necessary adjustments or be disciplined we can't win these games we are "supposed" to win.
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See I don't see that at all. When I look at the rosters I see a much more talented team in Minnesota. |
I feel like you're in the minority, but everyone has their opinion. |
Outside of the Johnson and Stafford combination I don't see any area that the Lions are better.
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| Vikefan79 wrote: | | Nnivolcm wrote: | | Vikefan79 wrote: | | YlionsY wrote: |
On paper we are a better team but they are 2-0 against us. Since we can't make the necessary adjustments or be disciplined we can't win these games we are "supposed" to win.
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See I don't see that at all. When I look at the rosters I see a much more talented team in Minnesota. |
I feel like you're in the minority, but everyone has their opinion. |
Outside of the Johnson and Stafford combination I don't see any area that the Lions are better. |
That's like saying besides Aaron Rodgers there isn't an area in which the Packers are better than the Chiefs. |
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Vikefan79
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| Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 1:27 am Post subject: |
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| BlackandBlue wrote: | | Vikefan79 wrote: | | Nnivolcm wrote: | | Vikefan79 wrote: | | YlionsY wrote: |
On paper we are a better team but they are 2-0 against us. Since we can't make the necessary adjustments or be disciplined we can't win these games we are "supposed" to win.
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See I don't see that at all. When I look at the rosters I see a much more talented team in Minnesota. |
I feel like you're in the minority, but everyone has their opinion. |
Outside of the Johnson and Stafford combination I don't see any area that the Lions are better. |
That's like saying besides Aaron Rodgers there isn't an area in which the Packers are better than the Chiefs. |
No it's not because the Packers have a lot of defensive talent on their front 7 as well as their secondary. Rodgers also has more than 1 very good receiver to throw the ball to.
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BlackandBlue
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| Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 1:41 am Post subject: |
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| Vikefan79 wrote: | | BlackandBlue wrote: | | Vikefan79 wrote: | | Nnivolcm wrote: | | Vikefan79 wrote: | | YlionsY wrote: |
On paper we are a better team but they are 2-0 against us. Since we can't make the necessary adjustments or be disciplined we can't win these games we are "supposed" to win.
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See I don't see that at all. When I look at the rosters I see a much more talented team in Minnesota. |
I feel like you're in the minority, but everyone has their opinion. |
Outside of the Johnson and Stafford combination I don't see any area that the Lions are better. |
That's like saying besides Aaron Rodgers there isn't an area in which the Packers are better than the Chiefs. |
No it's not because the Packers have a lot of defensive talent on their front 7 as well as their secondary. Rodgers also has more than 1 very good receiver to throw the ball to. |
I'd take the Chief's front seven over the Packers any day.
But that wasn't my point. I was illustrating the fact that a difference in the talent at QB can make such a big difference as to minimize the flaws elsewhere on a team. If Stafford and Megatron were playing at their 2011 levels this team would still be in contention for the division. |
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Vikefan79
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| Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 1:44 am Post subject: |
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| BlackandBlue wrote: | | I was illustrating the fact that a difference in the talent at QB can make such a big difference as to minimize the flaws elsewhere on a team. If Stafford and Megatron were playing at their 2011 levels this team would still be in contention for the division. |
That I agree with especially in today's pass happy NFL.
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| Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 3:25 am Post subject: |
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| Vikefan79 wrote: | | BlackandBlue wrote: | | Vikefan79 wrote: | | Nnivolcm wrote: | | Vikefan79 wrote: | | YlionsY wrote: |
On paper we are a better team but they are 2-0 against us. Since we can't make the necessary adjustments or be disciplined we can't win these games we are "supposed" to win.
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See I don't see that at all. When I look at the rosters I see a much more talented team in Minnesota. |
I feel like you're in the minority, but everyone has their opinion. |
Outside of the Johnson and Stafford combination I don't see any area that the Lions are better. |
That's like saying besides Aaron Rodgers there isn't an area in which the Packers are better than the Chiefs. |
No it's not because the Packers have a lot of defensive talent on their front 7 as well as their secondary. Rodgers also has more than 1 very good receiver to throw the ball to. |
Stafford has more then one good receiver. Honestly if there was a poll 99.9 percent of people would take Det entire receiving core over Minny.
You act like it is just the Stafford and Johnson show.
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| Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 3:40 am Post subject: |
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| Vikefan79 wrote: | | Nnivolcm wrote: | | Vikefan79 wrote: | | YlionsY wrote: |
On paper we are a better team but they are 2-0 against us. Since we can't make the necessary adjustments or be disciplined we can't win these games we are "supposed" to win.
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See I don't see that at all. When I look at the rosters I see a much more talented team in Minnesota. |
I feel like you're in the minority, but everyone has their opinion. |
Outside of the Johnson and Stafford combination I don't see any area that the Lions are better. |
Outside of AP/Jared Allen I don't see much on the Minny roster. And watching the game Sun really only made that perception even worse.
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Nbanflguy
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| Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 3:48 am Post subject: |
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| FootballPhreak wrote: | | Vikefan79 wrote: | | Nnivolcm wrote: | | Vikefan79 wrote: | | YlionsY wrote: |
On paper we are a better team but they are 2-0 against us. Since we can't make the necessary adjustments or be disciplined we can't win these games we are "supposed" to win.
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See I don't see that at all. When I look at the rosters I see a much more talented team in Minnesota. |
I feel like you're in the minority, but everyone has their opinion. |
Outside of the Johnson and Stafford combination I don't see any area that the Lions are better. |
Outside of AP/Jared Allen I don't see much on the Minny roster. And watching the game Sun really only made that perception even worse. |
Looking over the rosters I see this:
QB: Advantage Lions
RB: Vikings
WR: Lions
OL: Vikings
DL: Vikings
LB: Lions
Secondary: Vikings
Special Teams: Vikings
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Nbanflguy
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| Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 3:50 am Post subject: |
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| FootballPhreak wrote: | | Vikefan79 wrote: | | Nnivolcm wrote: | | Vikefan79 wrote: | | YlionsY wrote: |
On paper we are a better team but they are 2-0 against us. Since we can't make the necessary adjustments or be disciplined we can't win these games we are "supposed" to win.
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See I don't see that at all. When I look at the rosters I see a much more talented team in Minnesota. |
I feel like you're in the minority, but everyone has their opinion. |
Outside of the Johnson and Stafford combination I don't see any area that the Lions are better. |
Outside of AP/Jared Allen I don't see much on the Minny roster. And watching the game Sun really only made that perception even worse. |
Im sorry,but I feel like we watched a different game on Sunday. The Vikings played really well and had you beat 34-17 before a prevent defense td. If you were talking about our earlier game against each other you might make alittle sense, but idk what you saw yesterday that left you with such a bad impression on the Vikings.
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Vikefan79
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| Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 3:54 am Post subject: |
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Stafford has more then one good receiver. Honestly if there was a poll 99.9 percent of people would take Det entire receiving core over Minny.
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I would too. I'm not debating that. I'm debating that your team and units as a whole are not as good as Minnesota.
I think we have a much better offensive line. I think our defensive line and secondary is also better. I know our running backs and special teams are better. You could give the linebackers a push. The TE's would be in your favor if Pettigrew didn't drop so many balls.
On paper the Lions may looks better but their performance has yet to dictate that.
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| Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 3:55 am Post subject: |
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| Nbanflguy wrote: | | FootballPhreak wrote: | | Vikefan79 wrote: | | Nnivolcm wrote: | | Vikefan79 wrote: | | YlionsY wrote: |
On paper we are a better team but they are 2-0 against us. Since we can't make the necessary adjustments or be disciplined we can't win these games we are "supposed" to win.
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See I don't see that at all. When I look at the rosters I see a much more talented team in Minnesota. |
I feel like you're in the minority, but everyone has their opinion. |
Outside of the Johnson and Stafford combination I don't see any area that the Lions are better. |
Outside of AP/Jared Allen I don't see much on the Minny roster. And watching the game Sun really only made that perception even worse. |
Looking over the rosters I see this:
QB: Advantage Lions
RB: Vikings
WR: Lions
OL: Vikings
DL: Vikings
LB: Vikings
Secondary: Vikings
Special Teams: Vikings |
Haha good joke. However, when we are sarcastic on the Lions forum, we use green text so it's easier to spot.
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Nbanflguy
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| Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 3:58 am Post subject: |
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| Nnivolcm wrote: | | Nbanflguy wrote: | | FootballPhreak wrote: | | Vikefan79 wrote: | | Nnivolcm wrote: | | Vikefan79 wrote: | | YlionsY wrote: |
On paper we are a better team but they are 2-0 against us. Since we can't make the necessary adjustments or be disciplined we can't win these games we are "supposed" to win.
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See I don't see that at all. When I look at the rosters I see a much more talented team in Minnesota. |
I feel like you're in the minority, but everyone has their opinion. |
Outside of the Johnson and Stafford combination I don't see any area that the Lions are better. |
Outside of AP/Jared Allen I don't see much on the Minny roster. And watching the game Sun really only made that perception even worse. |
Looking over the rosters I see this:
QB: Advantage Lions
RB: Vikings
WR: Lions
OL: Vikings
DL: Vikings
LB: Vikings
Secondary: Vikings
Special Teams: Vikings |
Haha good joke. However, when we are sarcastic on the Lions forum, we use green text so it's easier to spot. |
Whats wrong with it? Iactually should give you guys the edge at LB, but that is it. Why dont you give me your list?
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Nnivolcm
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| Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 4:11 am Post subject: |
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| Nbanflguy wrote: | | Nnivolcm wrote: | | Nbanflguy wrote: | | FootballPhreak wrote: | | Vikefan79 wrote: | | Nnivolcm wrote: | | Vikefan79 wrote: | | YlionsY wrote: |
On paper we are a better team but they are 2-0 against us. Since we can't make the necessary adjustments or be disciplined we can't win these games we are "supposed" to win.
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See I don't see that at all. When I look at the rosters I see a much more talented team in Minnesota. |
I feel like you're in the minority, but everyone has their opinion. |
Outside of the Johnson and Stafford combination I don't see any area that the Lions are better. |
Outside of AP/Jared Allen I don't see much on the Minny roster. And watching the game Sun really only made that perception even worse. |
Looking over the rosters I see this:
QB: Advantage Lions
RB: Vikings
WR: Lions
OL: Vikings
DL: Vikings
LB: Vikings
Secondary: Vikings
Special Teams: Vikings |
Haha good joke. However, when we are sarcastic on the Lions forum, we use green text so it's easier to spot. |
Whats wrong with it? Iactually should give you guys the edge at LB, but that is it. Why dont you give me your list? |
Well LB for starters isn't that close in my mind. Greenway is the only one of your guys who would see any defensive snaps over any of our guys imo.
As for Dline, I'll say that Allen >>>>>>> KVB, but the rest of our Dline is not only better, but significantly deeper as well.
Both of our teams secondary is a mess, but I think both Delmas and Houston would be the best players at their position when healthy.
Once again, when it comes to Oline you guys have one guy who seems to be great, and that's your rookie Kalil. I think with maybe the exception of RG the rest of our Oline is better. Would still love to see Reiff get more snaps though, he looks like he will be a stud.
Special teams as a group is a no-brainer for you guys though, but with the game on the line and a field goal to win it or send it to overtime I'd still rather have Jason Hanson kicking for me.
Also obviously I agree with you about RB as well.
All of this is of course my opinion, but I'd think most subjective and knowledgeable fans would agree.
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