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PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2012 12:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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ET, doesnt it suck to see Holliday run back a TD? Cuz you know he sucked so back on the Texans (in the reg season).


It sucks moreso to see Jacoby Jones do it for the Ravens, or Sherrick McManis block a punt for the Bears. The pieces were there for the Texans to have a great ST unit, but we let 'em go.

Jones probably hurts the most, because the expectations for him were SO high when we drafted him - as a return man as well as a #2 opposite AJ. The culmination of boneheaded plays as well as a lack of production just murdered me as a fan...

...then again, it feels good to know our trash is someone elses' treasure. Twisted Evil


At least you guys have Tyler Clutts now
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ET, doesnt it suck to see Holliday run back a TD? Cuz you know he sucked so back on the Texans (in the reg season).


It sucks moreso to see Jacoby Jones do it for the Ravens, or Sherrick McManis block a punt for the Bears. The pieces were there for the Texans to have a great ST unit, but we let 'em go.

Jones probably hurts the most, because the expectations for him were SO high when we drafted him - as a return man as well as a #2 opposite AJ. The culmination of boneheaded plays as well as a lack of production just murdered me as a fan...

...then again, it feels good to know our trash is someone elses' treasure. Twisted Evil


At least you guys have Tyler Clutts now


I want to name you that going forward.
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He's one of the fastest players to ever play in the NFL, if not fastest.


Bob Hayes, James Jett, Jeff Demps beg to differ. They actually qualified for the Olympics (Jett as an alternate to the 4 x 100 relay team, Hayes as a gold medal winning, WR setting 4 x 100 relay, Demps as a silver medalist for the US 4 x 100 relay team).

This is without going into non-Olympians, such as Deion Sanders, Randy Moss, Bo Jackson, and former NCAA Track Champion and current Texans WR Andre Johnson.

Holliday is plenty fast, but let's not make stuff up now.
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ET, doesnt it suck to see Holliday run back a TD? Cuz you know he sucked so back on the Texans (in the reg season).


It sucks moreso to see Jacoby Jones do it for the Ravens, or Sherrick McManis block a punt for the Bears. The pieces were there for the Texans to have a great ST unit, but we let 'em go.

Jones probably hurts the most, because the expectations for him were SO high when we drafted him - as a return man as well as a #2 opposite AJ. The culmination of boneheaded plays as well as a lack of production just murdered me as a fan...

...then again, it feels good to know our trash is someone elses' treasure. Twisted Evil
I bet if you took all the players the Texans have cut lately and made a team out of them, they could beat a handful of NFL teams.

Texans cuts are the closest thing to a farm system in the NFL.
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I bet if you took all the players the Texans have cut lately and made a team out of them, they could beat a handful of NFL teams.

Texans cuts are the closest thing to a farm system in the NFL.


I wouldn't go THAT far, but it is nice to see the likes of Bernard Pollard, Jacoby Jones, Vonta Leach, Eric Winston, Tramon Williams, Trindon Holliday and Sherrick McManis putting in work elsewhere. Means that Rick Smith is doing his job in finding talent, and it means that Gary Kubiak and Wade Phillips are doing a great job in coaching and teaching these guys to be good football players, guys who can step in elsewhere and be contributors.

Wasn't too long ago when guys like DeMarcus Faggins, Matt Stevens, Jonathan Allen, Derrick Armstrong, Billy Miller and Dave Ragone were Texans cuts - guys who simply stopped playing pro ball once they got their pink slip.
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I bet if you took all the players the Texans have cut lately and made a team out of them, they could beat a handful of NFL teams.

Texans cuts are the closest thing to a farm system in the NFL.


I wouldn't go THAT far, but it is nice to see the likes of Bernard Pollard, Jacoby Jones, Vonta Leach, Eric Winston, Tramon Williams, Trindon Holliday and Sherrick McManis putting in work elsewhere. Means that Rick Smith is doing his job in finding talent, and it means that Gary Kubiak and Wade Phillips are doing a great job in coaching and teaching these guys to be good football players, guys who can step in elsewhere and be contributors.

Wasn't too long ago when guys like DeMarcus Faggins, Matt Stevens, Jonathan Allen, Derrick Armstrong, Billy Miller and Dave Ragone were Texans cuts - guys who simply stopped playing pro ball once they got their pink slip.
I was exaggerating a bit. It's amazing how things have improved in that organization, and here we were, wanting Kubiak fired...
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He's one of the fastest players to ever play in the NFL, if not fastest.


Bob Hayes, James Jett, Jeff Demps beg to differ. They actually qualified for the Olympics (Jett as an alternate to the 4 x 100 relay team, Hayes as a gold medal winning, WR setting 4 x 100 relay, Demps as a silver medalist for the US 4 x 100 relay team).

This is without going into non-Olympians, such as Deion Sanders, Randy Moss, Bo Jackson, and former NCAA Track Champion and current Texans WR Andre Johnson.

Holliday is plenty fast, but let's not make stuff up now.


Holliday has ran as fast or faster than everyone on that list in the 100m dash. His best time is 10.00. So no I wasn't making stuff up.

Also had a brain fart on the olympics this year. Thought him and Demps both tried, but I know Holliday tried in 2008. Also Holliday beat Demps head to head in the NCAA championships.
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Holliday with another TD.......
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So....how about that Trindon Holliday Laughing
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Congrats to all the winners, especially Luck. The way he's playing this year, I think he'll win quite a few more awards like this.
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So....how about that Trindon Holliday Laughing

Awesome to see him doing well. He had his chances in Houston, and couldn't do well with 'em.

Given that Holliday and Jacoby Jones have found new life on ST, I'd have to think that Texans ST coach Joe Marciano has some explaining to do. Clearly something is being lost in translation if these guys are so dynamic elsewhere...
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He's one of the fastest players to ever play in the NFL, if not fastest.


Bob Hayes, James Jett, Jeff Demps beg to differ. They actually qualified for the Olympics (Jett as an alternate to the 4 x 100 relay team, Hayes as a gold medal winning, WR setting 4 x 100 relay, Demps as a silver medalist for the US 4 x 100 relay team).

This is without going into non-Olympians, such as Deion Sanders, Randy Moss, Bo Jackson, and former NCAA Track Champion and current Texans WR Andre Johnson.

Holliday is plenty fast, but let's not make stuff up now.


Holliday has ran as fast or faster than everyone on that list in the 100m dash. His best time is 10.00. So no I wasn't making stuff up.

Fair enough, but it isn't as if Hayes was too far off - he ran a 10.06 back when he was in the Olympics, good enough for a world record back then. Given that there have been HUGE advancements in how these athletes train, it's feasable to think that Hayes' accomplishment could of been improved upon if he had the same diet and training regimine that Holliday had at his disposal in 2008, no?

At face value, you're right (well, we don't have 100m times for the likes of Jackson, Moss, Sanders, etc...so MAYBE). But still, there are plenty of guys who have shown world class speed at the NFL level. Just because we don't have official times for said guys doesn't mean they couldn't repeat (or surpass) Holliday's time.

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Also had a brain fart on the olympics this year. Thought him and Demps both tried, but I know Holliday tried in 2008. Also Holliday beat Demps head to head in the NCAA championships.

Hence why the Texans used a 6th round pick on a vastly undersized RB/WR tweener who didn't have a true position to claim. With his size, he was never going to be a RB in the NFL (however, I WANTED to see him used like Jaquizz Rogers in Atlanta). Holliday never ran routes or caught the ball in coverage, so any attempts to move him to WR were met by frustration by the coaching staff - in an NFL offense where precision and technique is key, Trindon didn't display that. Even after time on the PS to refine those skills, they never showed up on the field.

The old addage stands firm - you can't teach speed. The Texans tried to teach Tiny Trindon everything else, but he proved to be a slow learner. He only had one value to the team, and given the needs of this team at other spots, his single value was deemed less than necessary for the Texans. Would I like to have him on the field? Probably, but not at the expense of depth at other positions of need, namely all LB spots and CB.

Good to see him doing well, but Trindon was a luxury we nary could afford.
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Hence why the Texans used a 6th round pick on a vastly undersized RB/WR tweener who didn't have a true position to claim. With his size, he was never going to be a RB in the NFL (however, I WANTED to see him used like Jaquizz Rogers in Atlanta). Holliday never ran routes or caught the ball in coverage, so any attempts to move him to WR were met by frustration by the coaching staff - in an NFL offense where precision and technique is key, Trindon didn't display that. Even after time on the PS to refine those skills, they never showed up on the field.

The old addage stands firm - you can't teach speed. The Texans tried to teach Tiny Trindon everything else, but he proved to be a slow learner. He only had one value to the team, and given the needs of this team at other spots, his single value was deemed less than necessary for the Texans. Would I like to have him on the field? Probably, but not at the expense of depth at other positions of need, namely all LB spots and CB.

Good to see him doing well, but Trindon was a luxury we nary could afford.


Broncos actually had him line up in the back field next to Peyton vs. Panthers. Caught 2 passes.

I think hes starting to get more and more confident now, and starting to play better.
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Broncos actually had him line up in the back field next to Peyton vs. Panthers. Caught 2 passes.

I think hes starting to get more and more confident now, and starting to play better.


Dammit, that's EXACTLY how I wanted to see him in Houston - lined up in shotgun, with Arian Foster lined up in the slot, Andre Johnson and Kevin Walter lined up out wide and Owen Daniels as the TE. Holliday out in the flats, or out on a screen, or playfake to Holliday on a shotgun stretch and hand off to Foster on the slot end-around...something like that.
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Broncos actually had him line up in the back field next to Peyton vs. Panthers. Caught 2 passes.

I think hes starting to get more and more confident now, and starting to play better.


Dammit, that's EXACTLY how I wanted to see him in Houston - lined up in shotgun, with Arian Foster lined up in the slot, Andre Johnson and Kevin Walter lined up out wide and Owen Daniels as the TE. Holliday out in the flats, or out on a screen, or playfake to Holliday on a shotgun stretch and hand off to Foster on the slot end-around...something like that.


Yeah I believe he had a pretty nice first down off a swing pass.

We are all high on the guy. The Broncos have been lacking and trying to find an explosive return man/utility guy for I don't even know how long. I understand why the Texans had to cut him now, though.
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