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STLRamsFan99
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| DEE RAWL wrote: | | STLRamsFan99 wrote: | | DistantRam wrote: | Much depends on how Saffold plays for the rest of the year: if he can establish himself as a solid LT, we can draft playmakers in round one and leave an RT for round two or three.
While we have many needs, safety is (as others have pointed out) our biggest area of need. I feel we'll target one in free agency and draft one in the first or second round; to have two rookies starting at safety would be suicidal.
EDIT: Does anybody know if St Louis native Sheldon Richardson is a Rams fan? While we have more obvious needs, it never hurts to have depth in the trenches and Richardson could be used as third choice at both defensive tackle and defensive end for a couple of years, until we release Langford.
Having Long-Richardson-Brockers-Quinn as our starting defensive line in a couple of years' time is bordering on unfair. |
From Profootball Focus:
"Rams LT Roger Saffold did not give up a pressure on his 45 pass blocks."
He has played great every game he has been in this year. His injury he suffered was a freak one too, I wouldn't call him injury prone. I think if Saffold stays on the field the Rams are set at LT.
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Now thinking about it, the o-line may not need as much help as we think in the off-season. We will see how much it improves when we get Wells back and Turner moves back to LG. Two positions upgraded right there by getting one guy back. Turner has been a great surprise this season. Next season we may just need a RT and depth. |
Yeah, i agree and as ive said before Joeckel nor anyone else in this class would be an upgrade at the LT spot IMO. Even though Warmack would definitely be worth it I wouldnt be mad if focus shifts to RT and more specifically Taylor Lewan... Dude is a monster in run blocking. There is a ton of good talent and playmakers defensively in this class. As much as I love Allen, I would not be mad one bit if the 1st round (pending a trade down) went Star Lit then Lewan. That would certainly make us one of the most physical teams up front without a doubt. Who needs WRs when you can pound the rock and create havoc up front defensively... |
I really like Wharmack, but Turner fits the mold of a Boudreau/Fisher o-lineman. You think Lewan will be a RT come time of the draft? The more I see of him the more I think he might be able to be a LT.
Just looked on cbs sports and they got him as 2nd best OT prospect behind Joeckel. Then again if we got him and Saffold got hurt we could move him to LT and the back up to RT, which could be more depth added to the line in a way. |
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DEE RAWL
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He plays LT at Michigan but he is far better equiped for RT. Not to say he cant play LT and very well could be plugged into LT if Saffold were to get hurt, he just doesnt have quick enough feet and not too technically sound to go up against good pass rushing ends in the NFL.
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| Every week, I am liking C.J. Mosely more and more. He would be a great OLB next to JL55. Dunbar has played solid but it would be great to have a play maker at that position. |
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| Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 5:11 pm Post subject: |
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Personally, I think Jake Matthews is the best option at RT. Don't understand why he is so underrated by most...
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Quick mock I've been working on:
1.) Sheldon Richardson, DT, Missouri
Sheldon Richardson is a beast and I think he is the second best DT in this class besides Star. Not sure if we will be picking high enough to grab Star so we grab the next best thing. Sheldon is really athletic and can be a great pass-rushing DT.
1.) Chance Warmack, OG, Alabama
Nothing really needs to be said about Warmack, he will bolster our OL immediately.
2.) Tony Jefferson, S, Oklahoma
I have been really impressed with Jefferson after paying closer attention to him. He has really good instincts and may be there is the second with less than elite combine numbers.
3.) Da'Rick Rogers, WR, Tennessee-Tech
I have no idea where Da'Rick will fall but if he's there in the third I think we need to snag him ala Janoris. He has all-pro potential.
4.) Sanders Commings, CB, Georgia
We may not need a CB, but I love Commings. He's an under the radar guy that is a big playmaking CB. Has the potential to go much higher than this.
5.) Zaviar Gooden, OLB, Missouri
I am probably showing my Missouri bias here but I think Gooden would be good value here. He is a very fast OLB which seems to be the trend of the NFL. Lack of production could have him fall.
6.) David Bass, DE, Missouri Western
I go a school in the same conference as Bass and all I can say is he is really good. He is very fast and would be a solid rotational pass-rusher. Plus how could I resist giving us another player from Missouri Western in the sixth?
7.) Malcolm Bronson, S, McNeese St.
Low risk, high reward pick. You will find few players with his potential here.
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DEE RAWL
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| Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 5:38 pm Post subject: |
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I just watched a bunch of tape on Richardson after knowing nothing about him to be honest and I have to agree 100%... He is the 2nd best DT prospect behind Star but not by much if at all. He is a much better pass rusher than Star is, however i cant put him at the number one spot just because the thought of Brockers and Star driving back both gaurds and the center 3 yards into the backfield at the snap would be a dream.
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jrry32
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| ctp2124 wrote: | Quick mock I've been working on:
1.) Sheldon Richardson, DT, Missouri
Sheldon Richardson is a beast and I think he is the second best DT in this class besides Star. Not sure if we will be picking high enough to grab Star so we grab the next best thing. Sheldon is really athletic and can be a great pass-rushing DT.
1.) Chance Warmack, OG, Alabama
Nothing really needs to be said about Warmack, he will bolster our OL immediately.
2.) Tony Jefferson, S, Oklahoma
I have been really impressed with Jefferson after paying closer attention to him. He has really good instincts and may be there is the second with less than elite combine numbers.
3.) Da'Rick Rogers, WR, Tennessee-Tech
I have no idea where Da'Rick will fall but if he's there in the third I think we need to snag him ala Janoris. He has all-pro potential.
4.) Sanders Commings, CB, Georgia
We may not need a CB, but I love Commings. He's an under the radar guy that is a big playmaking CB. Has the potential to go much higher than this.
5.) Zaviar Gooden, OLB, Missouri
I am probably showing my Missouri bias here but I think Gooden would be good value here. He is a very fast OLB which seems to be the trend of the NFL. Lack of production could have him fall.
6.) David Bass, DE, Missouri Western
I go a school in the same conference as Bass and all I can say is he is really good. He is very fast and would be a solid rotational pass-rusher. Plus how could I resist giving us another player from Missouri Western in the sixth?
7.) Malcolm Bronson, S, McNeese St.
Low risk, high reward pick. You will find few players with his potential here. |
Very good. Although Sanders Commings will go higher than that. Won't fall out of the 2nd imo.
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| DEE RAWL wrote: | | I just watched a bunch of tape on Richardson after knowing nothing about him to be honest and I have to agree 100%... He is the 2nd best DT prospect behind Star but not by much if at all. He is a much better pass rusher than Star is, however i cant put him at the number one spot just because the thought of Brockers and Star driving back both gaurds and the center 3 yards into the backfield at the snap would be a dream. |
I have tried to refrain from talking about him so I don't seem like a complete homer but he is amazing as far as his play this year in the SEC. Honestly though, I like all the top DT prospects in this year's draft. |
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DEE RAWL
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| STLRamsFan99 wrote: | | DEE RAWL wrote: | | I just watched a bunch of tape on Richardson after knowing nothing about him to be honest and I have to agree 100%... He is the 2nd best DT prospect behind Star but not by much if at all. He is a much better pass rusher than Star is, however i cant put him at the number one spot just because the thought of Brockers and Star driving back both gaurds and the center 3 yards into the backfield at the snap would be a dream. |
I have tried to refrain from talking about him so I don't seem like a complete homer but he is amazing as far as his play this year in the SEC. Honestly though, I like all the top DT prospects in this year's draft. |
I am not impressed with Short or Hankins much. Just my opinion though.
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| DEE RAWL wrote: | | STLRamsFan99 wrote: | | DEE RAWL wrote: | | I just watched a bunch of tape on Richardson after knowing nothing about him to be honest and I have to agree 100%... He is the 2nd best DT prospect behind Star but not by much if at all. He is a much better pass rusher than Star is, however i cant put him at the number one spot just because the thought of Brockers and Star driving back both gaurds and the center 3 yards into the backfield at the snap would be a dream. |
I have tried to refrain from talking about him so I don't seem like a complete homer but he is amazing as far as his play this year in the SEC. Honestly though, I like all the top DT prospects in this year's draft. |
I am not impressed with Short or Hankins much. Just my opinion though. |
Hankins is more of a run stuffer. Haven't followed Short at all.
So far how I would rank the DTs:
1. Star Lotulelei
2. Johnathan Jenkins (he is massive at 350+ lbs)
3. Sheldon Richardson
4. Johnathan Hankins |
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| DEE RAWL wrote: | | STLRamsFan99 wrote: | | DEE RAWL wrote: | | I just watched a bunch of tape on Richardson after knowing nothing about him to be honest and I have to agree 100%... He is the 2nd best DT prospect behind Star but not by much if at all. He is a much better pass rusher than Star is, however i cant put him at the number one spot just because the thought of Brockers and Star driving back both gaurds and the center 3 yards into the backfield at the snap would be a dream. |
I have tried to refrain from talking about him so I don't seem like a complete homer but he is amazing as far as his play this year in the SEC. Honestly though, I like all the top DT prospects in this year's draft. |
I am not impressed with Short or Hankins much. Just my opinion though. |
I agree. Everyone wants to list Hankins with Star as the best DTs, but Star is on another level. Plus, Short has been so inconsistent this year. When he's good, he's great - when he's bad, he's terrible. I think he's going to have issues in the NFL because he doesn't stay low well.
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I think Jesse Williams has potential to generate some pass rush in the pros. He's pretty raw as he probably didn't get the best coaching over in Australia. Aside from the fact that he has YOLO tattood on his face he's a good kid who works hard. I'll bet he times pretty well.
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j-stew32
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I think a guy like Kiko Alonso would be a good fit at sam as well. I'm pretty much ready to see Pead get cut so I think well need another RB to spell D Rich. Mike Gillislee is my favorite in this draft. He's low mileage, he blocks like a man possesed and he's shown to be hard to tackle in the toughest division in college football. Oh and if we take a Receiver round one I prefer Patterson from Tenn. He has Randy Moss potential if he runs the 4.27 he was timed at once.
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jrry32
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| j-stew32 wrote: | | I think a guy like Kiko Alonso would be a good fit at sam as well. I'm pretty much ready to see Pead get cut so I think well need another RB to spell D Rich. Mike Gillislee is my favorite in this draft. He's low mileage, he blocks like a man possesed and he's shown to be hard to tackle in the toughest division in college football. Oh and if we take a Receiver round one I prefer Patterson from Tenn. He has Randy Moss potential if he runs the 4.27 he was timed at once. |
Patterson is getting a bit overrated. Very talented kid, a lot of upside but he's going to need development and the 4.27 is not true. He has very good gameday speed but he's not Givens fast and Givens isn't a 4.2 guy.
Gillislee is a solid all around HB, a lot like Cyrus Gray. However, I totally disagree with cutting Pead.
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| j-stew32 wrote: | | I think a guy like Kiko Alonso would be a good fit at sam as well. I'm pretty much ready to see Pead get cut so I think well need another RB to spell D Rich. Mike Gillislee is my favorite in this draft. He's low mileage, he blocks like a man possesed and he's shown to be hard to tackle in the toughest division in college football. Oh and if we take a Receiver round one I prefer Patterson from Tenn. [b]He has Randy Moss potential[/bl if he runs the 4.27 he was timed at once. |
Couldn't disagree more with these points.
There is a reason that Pead was drafted in the second round. Give him a chance.
I love Patterson but Moss was the most dominant receiver we have seen since Jerry Rice. Patterson does not have anywhere close to that potential.
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