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marky_b27
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 Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2012 3:49 pm Post subject: Where did it all go wrong - 2005 to 2008 drafts |
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Where it all went wrong?
While everyone is focusing in on our team’s capitulation this season. It has in fact been a slow process since the Super Bowl appearance. The drafts from 2005 to 2008 should make up the majority of our roster. Those players would be in their fifth to eighth season in the NFL, and would have the experience to spread along the roster.
2005 - 3 players still on Eagles roster, 2 players still in the NFL and 6 players out of the NFL
Mike Patterson
Reggie Brown
Matt McCoy
Ryan Moats
Sean Considine
Todd Herremans
Trent Cole
Scott Young
Calvin Armstrong
Keyonta Marshall
David Bergeron
In the whole, not a bad draft. We have two mainstays of our lines in Herremans and Cole along with Patterson who, while hasn’t been explosive, has started a load of games. Brown started a number of games, while McCoy, Moats and Considine all got given their chance.
2006 – 1 player still on Eagles roster, 3 players starting elsewhere, 1 player still in the NFL and 3 players out of the NFL
Brodrick Bunkley
Winston Justice
Chris Gocong
Max Jean-Giles
Jason Avant
Jeremy Bloom
Omar Gaither
LaJuan Ramsey
This draft annoys me, we have our first 3 picks starting for other teams. The only player still on our roster is the ever reliable, but pedestrian Avant. Jean-Giles and Gaither both started a number of games for us.
2007 – 1 player still on Eagles roster, 1 player starting elsewhere, 1 player still in the NFL and 5 players out of the NFL
Kevin Kolb
Victor Abiamiri
Stewart Bradley
Tony Hunt
CJ Gaddis
Brent Celek
Rashad Barksdale
Nate Ilaoa
This draft is among everyone’s least favourites. Kolb is (when he’s not injured) the starter out in Arizona, Celek is obviously our starting TE and Bradley, despite having a promising start with us, is now buried in the depth chart at Arizona.
2008 - 3 players still on Eagles roster, 2 players starting elsewhere, 3 players still in the NFL and 2 players out of the NFL
Trevor Laws
Desean Jackson
Bryan Smith
Mike McGlynn
Quintin Demps
Jack Ikegwuonu
Mike Gibson
Joe Mays
Andy Studebaker
King Dunlap
The most recent draft seems to have the most success. Jackson everyone knows, while Gibson and Dunlap are technically on our roster. McGlynn is starting at RG for Indy and Mays was until recently the starting MIKE for Denver. Laws, Demps and Studebaker are all still on rosters. The Bryan Smith pick still hurts and started a run of poor 3rd round picks.
Summary
So to summarise, the poor drafting (and trading away/releasing those players that were solid) caused us to get away from what we were good at - developing our players. This caused us to gamble on those free agents, who didn't have the unity that teams in the past has had. This has resulted in Reid's likely dismissal.
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Phire
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| Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2012 3:51 pm Post subject: |
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Gonna have to compare to other teams, but yeah the results are not good.
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marky_b27
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| Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2012 3:54 pm Post subject: |
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| Phire wrote: | | Gonna have to compare to other teams, but yeah the results are not good. |
Its two things - did we draft poorly? Sometimes, but then even the best do.
The fact that there are more players starting on other teams we drafted then starting for us is very worrying.
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eagles101
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| Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2012 3:56 pm Post subject: |
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| Phire wrote: | | Gonna have to compare to other teams, but yeah the results are not good. |
ya would really like this compared to other teams.
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| Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2012 3:57 pm Post subject: |
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The amount of starters we got wasn't too bad, but the lack of high end talent is. Couple of good, but no elite players, well maybe Trent.
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Phire
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| Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2012 4:02 pm Post subject: |
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| RainbowCarebear wrote: | | The amount of starters we got wasn't too bad, but the lack of high end talent is. Couple of good, but no elite players, well maybe Trent. |
Quality of starters too.
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| Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2012 4:05 pm Post subject: |
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| marky_b27 wrote: | | Phire wrote: | | Gonna have to compare to other teams, but yeah the results are not good. |
Its two things - did we draft poorly? Sometimes, but then even the best do.
The fact that there are more players starting on other teams we drafted then starting for us is very worrying. |
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| Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2012 4:23 pm Post subject: |
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| Remixxxxxxx wrote: | | marky_b27 wrote: | | Phire wrote: | | Gonna have to compare to other teams, but yeah the results are not good. |
Its two things - did we draft poorly? Sometimes, but then even the best do.
The fact that there are more players starting on other teams we drafted then starting for us is very worrying. |
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i dont get this logic. i mean there are thousands of variables that come into play with this. you have scheme or that cutting him got the boost that they needed to try harder or there new coach needed a different kind of coaching we offer or, or, or, or
just because played better with a different team doesnt mean that we didnt do a good job.
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| Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2012 4:26 pm Post subject: |
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There are a couple nice names in those list, but whenever I look, I have to remind myself that we actually drafted some of these guys. A ton of them aren't in the league anymore. Not a good sign.
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Remixxxxxxx
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| Quote: | | just because played better with a different team doesnt mean that we didnt do a good job. |
...but, we don't do a good job. We don't go a good job evaluating talent, nor do we do a good job developing talent.
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| Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2012 4:31 pm Post subject: |
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| Remixxxxxxx wrote: | | Quote: | | just because played better with a different team doesnt mean that we didnt do a good job. |
...but, we don't do a good job. We don't go a good job evaluating talent, nor do we do a good job developing talent. |
evaluating talent yes, developing no.
how many players have actually left and become real quality starters? every team will have players that leave and do better somewhere else but how many have we lost and we really missed?
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Remixxxxxxx
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| eagles101 wrote: | | Remixxxxxxx wrote: | | Quote: | | just because played better with a different team doesnt mean that we didnt do a good job. |
...but, we don't do a good job. We don't go a good job evaluating talent, nor do we do a good job developing talent. |
evaluating talent yes, developing no.
how many players have actually left and become real quality starters? every team will have players that leave and do better somewhere else but how many have we lost and we really missed? |
Chris Gocong, Kevin Kolb, Winston Justice, Brodrick Bunkley, Danny Amendola, Brandon Gibson.
We don't develop anyone, the majoriy of our "talent" are signed free agents[DRC, Nnamdi, DeMeco, Jenkins, Babin, Peters, Mathis, Vick, Landri, Tapp] and the players we did draft, we haven't done a good job developing{Watkins, Maclin, Avant, Coleman, Allen, Marsh, Jordan, Matthews, Hunt].
We're equally as bad at evaluating talent as we are developing the talent.
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| Remixxxxxxx wrote: | | eagles101 wrote: | | Remixxxxxxx wrote: | | Quote: | | just because played better with a different team doesnt mean that we didnt do a good job. |
...but, we don't do a good job. We don't go a good job evaluating talent, nor do we do a good job developing talent. |
evaluating talent yes, developing no.
how many players have actually left and become real quality starters? every team will have players that leave and do better somewhere else but how many have we lost and we really missed? |
Chris Gocong, Kevin Kolb, Winston Justice, Brodrick Bunkley, Danny Amendola, Brandon Gibson.
We don't develop anyone, the majoriy of our "talent" are signed free agents[DRC, Nnamdi, DeMeco, Jenkins, Babin, Peters, Mathis, Vick, Landri, Tapp] and the players we did draft, we haven't done a good job developing{Watkins, Maclin, Avant, Coleman, Allen, Marsh, Jordan, Matthews, Hunt].
We're equally as bad at evaluating talent as we are developing the talent. |
Of the players you listed that have had "success" elsewhere due to not being developed here, only two are valid examples.
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marky_b27
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| Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2012 5:01 pm Post subject: |
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They are at worst, solid starters.
Not everyone can be a star.
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eagles101
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| Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2012 5:06 pm Post subject: |
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| Remixxxxxxx wrote: | | eagles101 wrote: | | Remixxxxxxx wrote: | | Quote: | | just because played better with a different team doesnt mean that we didnt do a good job. |
...but, we don't do a good job. We don't go a good job evaluating talent, nor do we do a good job developing talent. |
evaluating talent yes, developing no.
how many players have actually left and become real quality starters? every team will have players that leave and do better somewhere else but how many have we lost and we really missed? |
Chris Gocong, Kevin Kolb, Winston Justice, Brodrick Bunkley, Danny Amendola, Brandon Gibson.
We don't develop anyone, the majoriy of our "talent" are signed free agents[DRC, Nnamdi, DeMeco, Jenkins, Babin, Peters, Mathis, Vick, Landri, Tapp] and the players we did draft, we haven't done a good job developing{Watkins, Maclin, Avant, Coleman, Allen, Marsh, Jordan, Matthews, Hunt].
We're equally as bad at evaluating talent as we are developing the talent. |
1 starter, 1 still on the team, 2 on other team, 3 out of the league
Rashard mendenhall
Limas sweed
Bruce davis
Tony hills
Dennis Dixon
Mike humpal
Ryan mundy
2 starters, 1 starter for another team, 3 out of the league, 2 on other teams
Lawernce Timmons
Lamar woodly
Matt speath
Daniel Sepulveda
Ryan mcbean
Cameron Stephenson
William gray
Dallas baker
1 starter, 1 starter for another team, 7 out of the league,
Santonio holmes
Anothony smith
Willie reed
Willi colon
Orien harris
Omar Jacobs
Charles davis
Marvin phillip
Cedric humes
1 starter, 6 out of the league, 1 on another team,
Heath miller
Bryant mcfadden
Trai essex
Fred Gibson
Rian Wallace
Chris kemoeatu
Shaun nua
Noah herron
5 starters, 1 still on the team, 5 on another team, 2 starters for another team, 19 out of the league
just did this real quick to compare.
but really kevin kolb you wished we had kept? bunkley is doing the same thing he did with us, he didnt magically get better when he left. danny was on our practice squad for what...one off season? gibson was traded. he wasnt not developed, he was traded.
and just because people havent devolved doesnt mean we are doing a bad job of it.
we have cole, mccoy, celek, and jackson all have become really good.
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