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PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2012 12:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

RandyMossIsBoss wrote:
PowerElite wrote:
Phire wrote:
Nobody is saying it's a screen play, you can call it a "screen pass" to describe the type of pass similar to one you would see on a WR screen. Quit being a troll.


The route has a name, learn it. This misnomered "screen pass" with no human being screening just is unacceptable when there is a well known name for that route.


Luckily I know how to kill trolls... YAC! Look at it! Watch as D"No YAC"Jac picks up copious amounts of YAC.



Oh man, that's enough YAC to complete the NYC marathon right there.


Decline Laughing
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2012 12:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

RandyMossIsBoss wrote:
PowerElite wrote:
Phire wrote:
Nobody is saying it's a screen play, you can call it a "screen pass" to describe the type of pass similar to one you would see on a WR screen. Quit being a troll.


The route has a name, learn it. This misnomered "screen pass" with no human being screening just is unacceptable when there is a well known name for that route.


Luckily I know how to kill trolls... YAC! Look at it! Watch as D"No YAC"Jac picks up copious amounts of YAC.



Oh man, that's enough YAC to complete the NYC marathon right there.


Wasn't that against single coverage? The great Desean Jackson now receiving single coverage? Decline...

Oh yeah, that was a great "screen pass" Desean ran. Laughing
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 11, 2012 3:28 pm    Post subject: Re: Red Zone Issues - Not on Reid or Vick Reply with quote

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Ima preface this by saying I want Reid and Vick gone and a new start as much as any of y'all. However, the struggles we have had in the Red Zone are not on them.

I've seen a lot of people blaming the Red Zone struggles on Reid's playcalling or Vick's deficiencies, but IMO, that is simply not the case. It's the personnel.

We, even when healthy, did not have a mauling offensive line that could be counted on to actually generate push on traditional running plays. Our receiving options are subpar at best. Desean, while playing at a whole new level this season, is simply not a respectable threat in the Red Zone. He isn't going to beat a CB in press coverage, hes not going to out-physical a CB on a slant, hes not gonna be able to shield the CB on his back in the middle of the field. Maclin suffers from the same problems, but he lacks even the quickness and athletic ability that Desean atleast offers. Last nights play following the fumble recovery on ST is a perfect example. Vick made a decent throw to get the ball over the linebacker, and Maclin showcases his 5 inch vertical and fails to bring in the ball. Thats a play that noone on our roster is capable of making, but pretty much any #1 or #2 receiver makes. Celek is a solid player but he isnt gonna create any separation in tight spaces unless the play design does it for him, which is much more difficult to do in the red zone.

Looking at the top 10 teams in the league in Red Zone efficiency (TD Percentage) this year:

1) New Orleans : Jimmy Graham, Marques Colston
2) Denver : Demaryous Thomas, Eric Decker
3) Green Bay : Jordy Nelson, James Jones, Jermichael Finley (he's a bit iffy)
4) Tampa Bay : Vincent Jackson, Mike Williams
5) New England : Rob Gronkowski, Aaron Hernandez
6) Baltimore : a bit of an exception, but they have a great O-Line and running game
7) San Francisco : Vernon Davis, best OLine in the game bar none
Cool Detroit : Calvin Johnson, Brandon Pettigrew, Tony Sheffler
9) Carolina : Cam Newton, Greg Olsen, mostly just Cam Newton
10) Houston : Amazing running game, Andre Johnson

Looking at that list, we dont have a single receiving threat on our team on the same level as Jimmy Graham, Marques Colston, Demaryous Thomas, Eric Decker, Jordy Nelson, James Jones, Jermichael Finley, Vincent Jackson, Mike Williams, Gronk, hernandez, Vernon Davis, Calvin Johnson, or Andre Johnson in general NOR in terms of redzone production/ability.

The only teams that don't have one of the listed names above are Baltimore and Carolina. Baltimore has got a great O-Line, and Carolina has got Cam Newton, who despite his passing troubles this year, is on a different level than the rest of the planet in terms of short yardage runs. Even they have Greg Olson who is a better redzone threat than anyone on our roster.

Basically, dont expect our redzone troubles to get any better this year, or if Reid is fired, or if the playcalling changes, or if Vick is benched in favor of Foles because the issue stems from an inherent lack of talent on the offensive side.


OP is right on the money and I thought of this watching the Saints game

BTW, add Tony Gonzalez, Roddy White, and Julio Jones on the Falcons

If you are going to score TDs instead of field goals in the redzone you need a receiver or two that can go up and get the ball, that can shield off a defender

Or if you don't have a receiver like that, you need a power running game.

Honestly the Eagles really could have used Plaxico Burress this season
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 11, 2012 3:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We could also use a qb that can see over his line, vick only really can throw deeper routes that dont exist in the red zone.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 11, 2012 3:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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We could also use a qb that can see over his line, vick only really can throw deeper routes that dont exist in the red zone.


Vital floor, and don't give me that Brees crap, he's the exception to the rule
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 11, 2012 3:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ninjapirate wrote:
We could also use a qb that can see over his line, vick only really can throw deeper routes that dont exist in the red zone.


Plus it takes ages for Vick to process information, so can't make those quick hit throws
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 11, 2012 5:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ninjapirate wrote:
We could also use a qb that can see over his line, vick only really can throw deeper routes that dont exist in the red zone.


That's not nearly as problematic as the lack of redzone threats

You think a 6'6 QB is going to throw jump balls to Desean Jackson Laughing
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 11, 2012 5:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BBIB wrote:
ninjapirate wrote:
We could also use a qb that can see over his line, vick only really can throw deeper routes that dont exist in the red zone.


That's not nearly as problematic as the lack of redzone threats

You think a 6'6 QB is going to throw jump balls to Desean Jackson Laughing


At least he'd be able to see Jackson

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