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Which Would you rather Have
Ponder 6-10 (Top 10 pick and Draft)
63%
 63%  [ 7 ]
Webb 9-7 (Playoffs and Draft)
36%
 36%  [ 4 ]
Total Votes : 11

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TC3_AD28


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 05, 2012 11:21 pm    Post subject: TC3AD28 Offseason (2 types) Reply with quote

Games from wk 10 to wk 17...

With Ponder/ With Webb

DET----L 5-5 / W 6-4
@CHI--L 5-6 / L 6-5
@GB---L 5-7 / L 6-6
CHI----L 5-8 / W 7-6
@STL--W 6-8 / W 8-6
@HOU--L 6-9 / L 8-7
GB-----L 6-10 / W 9-7

--With Ponder we finish 6-10 and finish with the 7th Overall Pick in 2013 Draft.
--With Webb we finish 9-7, win the 6th spot in the Playoffs in which we play the Packers and lose 31-23 and finish with the 21st pick in the NFL draft.

Offseason( Either Way)
Retained Players
-Jasper Brinkley
-Marcus Sherels
-Jerome Felton
-Erin Henderson
-AJ Jefferson
-Phil Loadhoalt
-Jemarca Sanford
-Kevin Williams

Released Players (Either Way)
-Joe Berger
-Brandon Burton
-Dandre Reed
-Larry Dean
-Chris Kluwe
-Micheal Jenkins
-Jerome Simpson

FA Signings (Either Way)
-Donald Driver WR----2yrs 6mil
-Tracy Porter CB-----1 yr 4mil
-Glenn Dorsey DT----3yr 9Mil
-William Moore SS---5yr 30Mil


NFL Draft

Ponder

RD 1--Matt Barkley QB USC
RD 2--Jon Cooper OG UNC
RD 3--Marquess Wilson WR Wash St
RD 4--Johnny Adams CB Mich St
RD 5--Phillip Thomas S Fresno St
RD 6--Bruce Taylor LB V.Tech
RD 7--Steven Clark P Auburn

WEBB

RD 1--Terrance Williams WR Baylor
RD 2--Chase Thomas LB Stanford
RD 3--Aaron Murray QB Georgia
RD 4--Lane Johnson OT Oklahoma
RD 5--Damine Square DT Alabama
RD 6--Oriane Johnston S Ohio St
RD 7--Steven Clark P Auburn
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 05, 2012 11:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

1. I don't like either draft.

2. Webb wouldn't get us 3 more wins than Ponder.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 05, 2012 11:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't believe Webb is any better than Ponder, but I'll take playoffs anyday over missing it.

I feel like this whole thread is about losing though. Confused

In general, I don't like either draft.
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Chi_Vike1


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 05, 2012 11:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

AQuintus wrote:
1. I don't like either draft.

2. Webb wouldn't get us 3 more wins than Ponder.

Same. The only good thing about this is the off season signings. And I could probably live with T Will in the first. Scratch everything else
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 05, 2012 11:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Also, the Vikings have 2 4ths - Det's and our own- and no 7th (it was given up in the AJ Jefferson trade).
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 06, 2012 12:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Webb would produce a couple more wins, Ponder can not throw the football, Webbs running ability as well as being a better playmaker would help our offense. Him being able to move out of the pocket and make a play with his feet he could find open recievers which Christian cannot.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 06, 2012 12:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would fully expect more wins with Webb at the helm than Christian at it.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 06, 2012 12:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

TC3_AD28 wrote:
Webb would produce a couple more wins, Ponder can not throw the football, Webbs running ability as well as being a better playmaker would help our offense. Him being able to move out of the pocket and make a play with his feet he could find open recievers which Christian cannot.
There is no such thing as an open receiver on this team.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 06, 2012 12:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Terrence Williams sucks; Marquesse Wilson is actually really good.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 06, 2012 12:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

kparty69 wrote:
Terrence Williams sucks; Marquesse Wilson is actually really good.
lol
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 06, 2012 12:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

kparty69 wrote:
Terrence Williams sucks; Marquesse Wilson is actually really good.

you mean the guy that got benched and then suspended?

At this point I doubt Marquess gets drafted.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 06, 2012 1:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just the thought that people think this team is 3 wins better with Joe Webb is laughable.

This is not a good team with Christian and it's not a good team with Joe. People, including myself, were fooled into thinking this team was ahead of schedule in the rebuild.

The last few games have brought out the ugly truth, and that's that this team has a lot of holes that still need filling. With the lack of viable receiver options and an ineptitude on defense this team wouldn't be competing for a super bowl even if we had Aaron Rodgers or Drew Brees at QB.

There is still a lot of work to be done.

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That being said, I'm not a fan of Donald Driver or Tracy Porter. Not really a fan of the players in either draft.

Sorry to post my little rant in your mock draft thread. I'm sure you spent time on it to have it critiqued and not have this turn into another Ponder v Webb thread.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 06, 2012 1:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

PurpleMugen wrote:
I would fully expect more wins with Webb at the helm than Christian at it.


That's what I see too. I'm all for winning now. I think that Joe's composure and touch on the deep pass would make a difference.

The NFL has shown that draft picks are a crap shoot, with only slightly better odds the higher you go. The NFL isn't college. Plenty of high draft picks crap out while a six round draft picks like Tom Brady become hall of famer.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 06, 2012 1:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Darth Brooks wrote:
PurpleMugen wrote:
I would fully expect more wins with Webb at the helm than Christian at it.


That's what I see too. I'm all for winning now.

The NFL has shown that draft picks are a crap shoot, with only slightly better odds the higher you go. The NFL isn't college. Plenty of high draft picks crap out while a six round draft picks like Tom Brady become hall of famer.

Sure plenty of high round draft picks crap out, but even more do so that are drafted late.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 06, 2012 2:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think the first round rate of failure is something like 33% (first round picks that fail to go to the pro bowl during their career) Second round is 50% and so on. I does get wider as you go down although UDFAs sometimes provide gems like John Randle and Mick Tinglehoff.

Still, I wouldn't trash a season just to go up a few picks. You really have to seize what opportunities you have.
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