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PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2013 5:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Awesome! I wouldnt mind him but thats if we couldn't get grimes or talib etc. I know this might sound dumb but if we get Toler how would you guys feel about Lynch at FS or put cendric griffin at FS?.

Griffins. Should come back but i want a starting CB thats really how our D can improve and hopfully seymour.
Cedric Griffin shouldn't be back.

My preference would be signing Corey Lynch and then drafting Phillip Thomas. May the best man win the starting FS job.

Starting SS will be Meriweather and either Gomes or Doughty will back him up, Doughty will probably win that battle.

Our D will improve immensley if we are healthy and if the FA we sign or/and draft turn out to be good players for us.
Why not ? he as pretty good man to man and cheap.
Grimes or Talib I could see for the right price. Talib will probably be out of our price range because he played good for the pats and Grimes is coming off a torn ACL so he hasn't earned a large contract, at least not from us!

I'm saying No to Cedric Griffin! He wasn't that good for us, he was physical but can't run anymore. He's never played safety and if they wanted him there, they would have put him there last year when we lost both our starting safeties but they didn't. Obviously, they don't think Griffin is the answer for us and so, neither do I
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SeanTayorsaPIMP wrote:
Dashing wrote:
Redskins 24- 7 tweets might get money back ! We targeting greg toler and cory lynch and also might release carriker.


Toler is a guy I would love. Will be pissed if we cut Carriker though.


We also have Jarvis Jenkins to fill in for him. If the coaching staff thinks that Jenkins can do everything Carriker can do and do it at a significantly cheaper price. Carriker would cost $4M against the cap, with almost all if not all of it recoverable; Jenkins would be $1.3M against the cap (and a slight cap hit if cut).


It's not so much that I don't think Jenkins isn't a capable starter, although I think he has atrocious pass rushing skills, it's more due to the whole rotation of the D-line. When Adam Carriker went out, our D-line suffered as a whole. Players were playing way too many snaps and getting tired a lot quicker. The talent gap between Jenkins and our next best backup is big IMO. Carriker is an ideal fit for our defense. If you cut Carriker, how are you going to replace him? You need at least 4 starting caliber D-linemen to survive in a 3-4 system.
i agree with that. My preference would be to see if some of the high dollar cap guys like Carriker, Bowen and Cofield would restructure their deals to save some cap space.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2013 5:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SeanTayorsaPIMP wrote:
Woz wrote:
SeanTayorsaPIMP wrote:
Dashing wrote:
Redskins 24- 7 tweets might get money back ! We targeting greg toler and cory lynch and also might release carriker.


Toler is a guy I would love. Will be pissed if we cut Carriker though.


We also have Jarvis Jenkins to fill in for him. If the coaching staff thinks that Jenkins can do everything Carriker can do and do it at a significantly cheaper price. Carriker would cost $4M against the cap, with almost all if not all of it recoverable; Jenkins would be $1.3M against the cap (and a slight cap hit if cut).


It's not so much that I don't think Jenkins isn't a capable starter, although I think he has atrocious pass rushing skills, it's more due to the whole rotation of the D-line. When Adam Carriker went out, our D-line suffered as a whole. Players were playing way too many snaps and getting tired a lot quicker. The talent gap between Jenkins and our next best backup is big IMO. Carriker is an ideal fit for our defense. If you cut Carriker, how are you going to replace him? You need at least 4 starting caliber D-linemen to survive in a 3-4 system.


If we're looking for defensive line depth, wouldn't the easiest thing to do would be to draft a replacement in the 4th or 5th round? Alternatively, you could bring back Kedric Golston for another year or two at about $1-1.5M AAV.

For the record, I agree that Carriker's a perfect fit for our defense. However, with our cap situation the way it is, we are going to have to make some tough choices on who we keep and who we don't. Carriker's name will be on the "possible cut" list because it looks like cutting him would result in getting all of his cap space back without accruing any dead cap (either this year or in the future).
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2013 5:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

turtle28 wrote:
SeanTayorsaPIMP wrote:
Woz wrote:
SeanTayorsaPIMP wrote:
Dashing wrote:
Redskins 24- 7 tweets might get money back ! We targeting greg toler and cory lynch and also might release carriker.


Toler is a guy I would love. Will be pissed if we cut Carriker though.


We also have Jarvis Jenkins to fill in for him. If the coaching staff thinks that Jenkins can do everything Carriker can do and do it at a significantly cheaper price. Carriker would cost $4M against the cap, with almost all if not all of it recoverable; Jenkins would be $1.3M against the cap (and a slight cap hit if cut).


It's not so much that I don't think Jenkins isn't a capable starter, although I think he has atrocious pass rushing skills, it's more due to the whole rotation of the D-line. When Adam Carriker went out, our D-line suffered as a whole. Players were playing way too many snaps and getting tired a lot quicker. The talent gap between Jenkins and our next best backup is big IMO. Carriker is an ideal fit for our defense. If you cut Carriker, how are you going to replace him? You need at least 4 starting caliber D-linemen to survive in a 3-4 system.
i agree with that. My preference would be to see if some of the high dollar cap guys like Carriker, Bowen and Cofield would restructure their deals to save some cap space.


As I said in my previous post, cutting Carriker has no cap ramifications right now (he is apparently due a $0.2M roster bonus at some point, but I don't know when that is paid out). If you restructure him, however, that means you convert his salary into signing bonus money. This in turn makes it harder to get rid of him later if you choose to go another route.

Honestly, the BEST thing the Redskins could do would be to trade Carriker. That way they'd get him off of their cap and get something in return for him. Unfortunately, you might be getting pennies on the dollar for doing this. Of course, a few pennies is better than no pennies.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2013 3:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I actually have big interested in Nnamdi since I believe that we will run more man to man on blitzes and have Nnamdi covering the #1s while Dhall in the slot would really work. Yes down year last year but Nnamdi is better than Dhall and Wilson and yes its true.


Miles Austin if released and Seymour i would love ( leadership and motor would be great if Carrikers gone).


We need some vets.
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turtle28 wrote:
Dashing wrote:
turtle28 wrote:
Dashing wrote:
Awesome! I wouldnt mind him but thats if we couldn't get grimes or talib etc. I know this might sound dumb but if we get Toler how would you guys feel about Lynch at FS or put cendric griffin at FS?.

Griffins. Should come back but i want a starting CB thats really how our D can improve and hopfully seymour.
Cedric Griffin shouldn't be back.

My preference would be signing Corey Lynch and then drafting Phillip Thomas. May the best man win the starting FS job.

Starting SS will be Meriweather and either Gomes or Doughty will back him up, Doughty will probably win that battle.

Our D will improve immensley if we are healthy and if the FA we sign or/and draft turn out to be good players for us.
Why not ? he as pretty good man to man and cheap.
Grimes or Talib I could see for the right price. Talib will probably be out of our price range because he played good for the pats and Grimes is coming off a torn ACL so he hasn't earned a large contract, at least not from us!

I'm saying No to Cedric Griffin! He wasn't that good for us, he was physical but can't run anymore. He's never played safety and if they wanted him there, they would have put him there last year when we lost both our starting safeties but they didn't. Obviously, they don't think Griffin is the answer for us and so, neither do I



I highly doubt they'll be out of our price range Talib doesnt deserve a big contract espically Grimes who was lost the whole season. Sean Smith maybe but you have potentially 6-7 CB's that are good in FA and id be upset if Toler is what we settle for the Redskins need a CB who can atleast be a starter or close to it not a solid #3 or 4 because our Secondary was burnt for good reasons and i dont trust hall or wilson.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2013 4:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like Carriker, but I also agree with WOZ.
I too, think Adam Carriker is expendable.
Having Stephen Bowen, Jarvis Jenkins & Doug Worthington does that.
...and don't forget, we just signed Ron Brace not long ago.
I expect him to make the roster.

The real question is...What's Carriker's value?
I'll say this...it's a whole lot better, than when he played for St. Louis before coming here.
How much better? I don't know.

At 28, I would put a 4th RD at best for him.
Most likely get a 5th or 6th for him.

He would be a perfect trade package, if we were wanting to trade for a top WR or CB already under a reasonable contract.

Package as in...there would be others in the deal as well from us.
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aceinthehouse wrote:
I like Carriker, but I also agree with WOZ.
I too, think Adam Carriker is expendable.
Having Stephen Bowen, Jarvis Jenkins & Doug Worthington does that.
...and don't forget, we just signed Ron Brace not long ago.
I expect him to make the roster.

The real question is...What's Carriker's value?
I'll say this...it's a whole lot better, than when he played for St. Louis before coming here.
How much better? I don't know.

At 28, I would put a 4th RD at best for him.
Most likely get a 5th or 6th for him.

He would be a perfect trade package, if we were wanting to trade for a top WR or CB already under a reasonable contract.

Package as in...there would be others in the deal as well from us.
Bowen expandable too.

Why not go Cofield LE -NT(2nd round ,FA nt )-RESeymour( than possibly first on RE next years draft_.


we need to create a really good front 3 and we had no pass rush or run stop DL.
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Dashing wrote:
aceinthehouse wrote:
I like Carriker, but I also agree with WOZ.
I too, think Adam Carriker is expendable.
Having Stephen Bowen, Jarvis Jenkins & Doug Worthington does that.
...and don't forget, we just signed Ron Brace not long ago.
I expect him to make the roster.

The real question is...What's Carriker's value?
I'll say this...it's a whole lot better, than when he played for St. Louis before coming here.
How much better? I don't know.

At 28, I would put a 4th RD at best for him.
Most likely get a 5th or 6th for him.

He would be a perfect trade package, if we were wanting to trade for a top WR or CB already under a reasonable contract.

Package as in...there would be others in the deal as well from us.
Bowen expandable too.

Why not go Cofield LE -NT(2nd round ,FA nt )-RESeymour( than possibly first on RE next years draft_.


we need to create a really good front 3
Because we don't have any cap room?
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MKnight82 wrote:
Dashing wrote:
aceinthehouse wrote:
I like Carriker, but I also agree with WOZ.
I too, think Adam Carriker is expendable.
Having Stephen Bowen, Jarvis Jenkins & Doug Worthington does that.
...and don't forget, we just signed Ron Brace not long ago.
I expect him to make the roster.

The real question is...What's Carriker's value?
I'll say this...it's a whole lot better, than when he played for St. Louis before coming here.
How much better? I don't know.

At 28, I would put a 4th RD at best for him.
Most likely get a 5th or 6th for him.

He would be a perfect trade package, if we were wanting to trade for a top WR or CB already under a reasonable contract.

Package as in...there would be others in the deal as well from us.
Bowen expandable too.

Why not go Cofield LE -NT(2nd round ,FA nt )-RESeymour( than possibly first on RE next years draft_.


we need to create a really good front 3
Because we don't have any cap room?
signing seymour two a 1-2 year deal and your saying we have no cap room? its not like where offering 100 mil but ok.


WAIT lol.
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Seymour is old. Shanny likes FA in their 20s.....I just dont see it
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Dashing wrote:
MKnight82 wrote:
Dashing wrote:
aceinthehouse wrote:
I like Carriker, but I also agree with WOZ.
I too, think Adam Carriker is expendable.
Having Stephen Bowen, Jarvis Jenkins & Doug Worthington does that.
...and don't forget, we just signed Ron Brace not long ago.
I expect him to make the roster.

The real question is...What's Carriker's value?
I'll say this...it's a whole lot better, than when he played for St. Louis before coming here.
How much better? I don't know.

At 28, I would put a 4th RD at best for him.
Most likely get a 5th or 6th for him.

He would be a perfect trade package, if we were wanting to trade for a top WR or CB already under a reasonable contract.

Package as in...there would be others in the deal as well from us.
Bowen expandable too.

Why not go Cofield LE -NT(2nd round ,FA nt )-RESeymour( than possibly first on RE next years draft_.


we need to create a really good front 3
Because we don't have any cap room?
signing seymour two a 1-2 year deal and your saying we have no cap room? its not like where offering 100 mil but ok.


WAIT lol.
We are currently over the cap. We have players of our own that need to be resigned and bigger needs than shifting around our entire Dline.
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Marcus21 wrote:
Seymour is old. Shanny likes FA in their 20s.....I just dont see it
I agree, good point.
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MKnight82 wrote:
Dashing wrote:
MKnight82 wrote:
Dashing wrote:
aceinthehouse wrote:
I like Carriker, but I also agree with WOZ.
I too, think Adam Carriker is expendable.
Having Stephen Bowen, Jarvis Jenkins & Doug Worthington does that.
...and don't forget, we just signed Ron Brace not long ago.
I expect him to make the roster.

The real question is...What's Carriker's value?
I'll say this...it's a whole lot better, than when he played for St. Louis before coming here.
How much better? I don't know.

At 28, I would put a 4th RD at best for him.
Most likely get a 5th or 6th for him.

He would be a perfect trade package, if we were wanting to trade for a top WR or CB already under a reasonable contract.

Package as in...there would be others in the deal as well from us.
Bowen expandable too.

Why not go Cofield LE -NT(2nd round ,FA nt )-RESeymour( than possibly first on RE next years draft_.


we need to create a really good front 3
Because we don't have any cap room?
signing seymour two a 1-2 year deal and your saying we have no cap room? its not like where offering 100 mil but ok.


WAIT lol.
We are currently over the cap. We have players of our own that need to be resigned and bigger needs than shifting around our entire Dline.


Agreeing with MKnight82...consistently, not just here.

There is no money.

None.

The team is about 2 million over the cap at the moment, and there truly isn't much to work with when we start talking about players who can be restructured or cut.

Unfortunately, it may be that Adam Carriker is the one who is cut, which would be a pretty big blow to this defense. Jarvis did not show as well last year as I thought he would, and even though Doug Worthington was my adoptee he is definitely a fringe roster player who is probably not going to make the squad this year. Ron Brace is a 4th DE as it stands, so they'll need to find someone for that third spot.

If the team is willing to take the hit in the standings (aka losing season), you cut DeAngelo Hall, Adam Carriker and Santana Moss.

This would give you about 13 million to work with. Of that, 4-5MM will be for signing draft picks. You can count on another 6 million between Lorenzo Alexander, and tendering ROb Jackson, Darrel Young, Nick Sundberg, and Logan Paulsen. Leaving you just enough money for injury assurance, ie. no other signings are feasible.

This team is taking a huge hit this year (or in future years) if the cap penalty is not lifted. I am sure the Redskins FO is working like hamsters behind the scenes. It is vital that this team get rid of this cap penalty.
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footy_29 wrote:
MKnight82 wrote:
Dashing wrote:
MKnight82 wrote:
Dashing wrote:
aceinthehouse wrote:
I like Carriker, but I also agree with WOZ.
I too, think Adam Carriker is expendable.
Having Stephen Bowen, Jarvis Jenkins & Doug Worthington does that.
...and don't forget, we just signed Ron Brace not long ago.
I expect him to make the roster.

The real question is...What's Carriker's value?
I'll say this...it's a whole lot better, than when he played for St. Louis before coming here.
How much better? I don't know.

At 28, I would put a 4th RD at best for him.
Most likely get a 5th or 6th for him.

He would be a perfect trade package, if we were wanting to trade for a top WR or CB already under a reasonable contract.

Package as in...there would be others in the deal as well from us.
Bowen expandable too.

Why not go Cofield LE -NT(2nd round ,FA nt )-RESeymour( than possibly first on RE next years draft_.


we need to create a really good front 3
Because we don't have any cap room?
signing seymour two a 1-2 year deal and your saying we have no cap room? its not like where offering 100 mil but ok.


WAIT lol.
We are currently over the cap. We have players of our own that need to be resigned and bigger needs than shifting around our entire Dline.


Agreeing with MKnight82...consistently, not just here.

There is no money.

None.

The team is about 2 million over the cap at the moment, and there truly isn't much to work with when we start talking about players who can be restructured or cut.

Unfortunately, it may be that Adam Carriker is the one who is cut, which would be a pretty big blow to this defense. Jarvis did not show as well last year as I thought he would, and even though Doug Worthington was my adoptee he is definitely a fringe roster player who is probably not going to make the squad this year. Ron Brace is a 4th DE as it stands, so they'll need to find someone for that third spot.

If the team is willing to take the hit in the standings (aka losing season), you cut DeAngelo Hall, Adam Carriker and Santana Moss.

This would give you about 13 million to work with. Of that, 4-5MM will be for signing draft picks. You can count on another 6 million between Lorenzo Alexander, and tendering ROb Jackson, Darrel Young, Nick Sundberg, and Logan Paulsen. Leaving you just enough money for injury assurance, ie. no other signings are feasible.

This team is taking a huge hit this year (or in future years) if the cap penalty is not lifted. I am sure the Redskins FO is working like hamsters behind the scenes. It is vital that this team get rid of this cap penalty.
I think it was interesting that they gave up so easily last season on fighting the cap penalty. Then recently they've made public statements about how they were doing things to perhaps change "that situation" when asked about the penalty specifically. I wonder if they were told to play ball last season then they'd be given a break the following. Or perhaps I'm making something out of nothing.
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