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MKnight82
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| We aren't going to sign any big name free agents we don't have any cap room. The best we can hope to do is sign some second tier guys at need positions as well as spend draft picks on them then let them compete for the starting role. Next year once the cap penalty is gone we can target premium free agents. |
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SeanTayorsaPIMP
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| turtle28 wrote: | | aceinthehouse wrote: | I would like OT Ryan Clady. (Shanahan drafted him)
Then, I want to move him to Right Tackle.
With Ryan Clady only 26, & Trent Williams only 24. We could have our bookends for the next 10 years. (oh..like Fletcher, Clady has never missed a game after being drafted and starting in 2008.... 80 for 80....3X All-Pro & 3X time Pro Bowler)
LT T. Williams---LG K. Lichtensteiger--OC W. Montgomery--RG C. Chester--RT R. Clady
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PRO BOWL Left Tackle who blocks for Peyton Mannning and a team that was a play away from the the AFCCG last year. No way he leaves Denver to take less $ and be a RT. we also can't afford him even if that's something he would want to do!
| Quote: | TRADE: our 2nd rd pick & 2014 conditional 4th rd pick for
WR Larry Fitzgerald (ARI)
That should be plenty for a WR who will be 30 in August.
He can then finish out his career as a Redskin.
That gives us Fitzgerald & Garcon as our 1..2 punch! |
no way the cardinals trade their franchise player and if they did, they'd want a 1st round pick for the best WR in the game. Again, we can't afford him man, we can't afford to so either of these lucrative deals, we are currently over the salary cap.
| Quote: | Sign CB Aquib Talib in FA (R. Morris can coach him up)
Sign Ed Reed in FA (have Ed Reed at FS & B. Merriweather at SS)
cut T. Jackson |
Talib is a possibility. Again, with Ed Reed, we can't afford him man, we can't afford to so either of these lucrative deals, we are currently over the salary cap.
We don't need to cut Tanard Jackson, he's a free agent.
| Quote: | Draft best available player with 3rd rd pick
fill holes from 4th rd on...
Probably look to draft a FS & MLB as both Ed Reed and London Fletcher might have 1 yr...2 at best. (yes..I know we have Gomes & K. Robinson & maybe FA Alexander for depth in those 2 positional areas, but we can still look)
Make SB run!
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yeah, not going to happen except possibly signing Talib... |
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Woz
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| Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2013 5:13 pm Post subject: |
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| aceinthehouse wrote: | I would like OT Ryan Clady. (Shanahan drafted him)
Then, I want to move him to Right Tackle.
With Ryan Clady only 26, & Trent Williams only 24. We could have our bookends for the next 10 years. (oh..like Fletcher, Clady has never missed a game after being drafted and starting in 2008.... 80 for 80....3X All-Pro & 3X time Pro Bowler)
LT T. Williams---LG K. Lichtensteiger--OC W. Montgomery--RG C. Chester--RT R. Clady
WOULD BE NASTY! |
http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2013/1/28/3926440/ryan-clady-injury-surgery-free-agent-broncos
If he hits free agency, he's going to be one of the top targets. Now, it's possible he comes here because of Shanahan, but that's not a guarantee. He's still going to want to be paid like a top tackle though ... which has ramifications for Trent Williams, whose contract expires after 2015.
| Quote: | TRADE: our 2nd rd pick & 2014 conditional 4th rd pick for
WR Larry Fitzgerald (ARI) |
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Will not happen, mainly because I don't think Arizona can trade him after his new contract.
| Quote: | | Sign CB Aquib Talib in FA (R. Morris can coach him up) |
Because he did such a good job in Tampa?
| Quote: | | Sign Ed Reed in FA (have Ed Reed at FS & B. Merriweather at SS) |
I doubt he leaves Baltimore.
Goes without saying.
| Quote: | Draft best available player with 3rd rd pick
fill holes from 4th rd on...
Probably look to draft a FS & MLB as both Ed Reed and London Fletcher might have 1 yr...2 at best. (yes..I know we have Gomes & K. Robinson & maybe FA Alexander for depth in those 2 positional areas, but we can still look) |
Reed looked done this year. Why would we sign him? |
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turtle28
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S. Taylor
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Charles Woodson?
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turtle28
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| S. Taylor wrote: | | Charles Woodson? |
too old, too costly and injury prone. This team is rebuilding with young players and developing them. I don't see any need to sign someone like Ed Reed or Charles Woodson. Its the total opposite of what we've been doing the past two years.
I see him going somewhere like Denver, New Orleans, Atlanta, Baltimore (if Reed leaves), New England or SF (if Goldson leaves) where he has a great shot to get himself one more ring.
Woodson isn't going to sign with a young and developing team like us and we shouldn't want to sign a 36 year old DB either who's had collar bone breaks in two of the last 3 seasons.
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Dashing
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| turtle28 wrote: | | S. Taylor wrote: | | Charles Woodson? |
too old, too costly and injury prone. This team is rebuilding with young players and developing them. I don't see any need to sign someone like Ed Reed or Charles Woodson. Its the total opposite of what we've been doing the past two years.
I see him going somewhere like Denver, New Orleans, Atlanta, Baltimore (if Reed leaves), New England or SF (if Goldson leaves) where he has a great shot to get himself one more ring.
Woodson isn't going to sign with a young and developing team like us and we shouldn't want to sign a 36 year old DB either who's had collar bone breaks in two of thhe last 3 seasons. |
How are we rebuilding if we just went 10-6 and have two QB's to be our franchise guys if not one is already ? we are 10-6 our O was top 10 this is now the time to bring in useful two year VETS to help out .
If Woodson is an upgrade over at FS or if at CB than do it i mean one year deal he is better than Wilson and Hall when healthy . Now there are other CB's but the " hes old talk" is BS if they are still good at a high level and can help us win games.. All we need is better DL and secondary with maybe one WR .
other than that what is there to rebuild other than our D but that can be fixed with better FA's . If we where 5-11 it be different but at 10-6 your in your win now mode plus we are already young.
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| A guy I think we should look at is Austin Collie. With Moss most likely on his way out we can use another slot receiver. Collie has proven he can play and with his injury history might be able to be signed cheaply. |
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turtle28
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| Sassan11 wrote: | | A guy I think we should look at is Austin Collie. With Moss most likely on his way out we can use another slot receiver. Collie has proven he can play and with his injury history might be able to be signed cheaply. |
I liked Collie before the concussion issues but I don't want to see him play anymore. Someone like him has to know he should walk away. I hope we don't sign him because I'd hate to see his last play be as skin being carted off the field.
He only had one reception last year and now he's coming off a ruptured Patella. If Moss is gone I'd go with the 5 we have and look to add a FA who's healthy and can be a return specialist as our #5 wr.
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Woz
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| Dashing wrote: | | can easily see Eddie royal coming since he had a down year he might look to come back and replace Moss. he be #5 WR tho . |
We tried to get him last year, but he decided to go with San Diego (I think). I honestly don't think need to worry about a 5th WR. |
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Woz
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| Dashing wrote: | | turtle28 wrote: | | S. Taylor wrote: | | Charles Woodson? |
too old, too costly and injury prone. This team is rebuilding with young players and developing them. I don't see any need to sign someone like Ed Reed or Charles Woodson. Its the total opposite of what we've been doing the past two years.
I see him going somewhere like Denver, New Orleans, Atlanta, Baltimore (if Reed leaves), New England or SF (if Goldson leaves) where he has a great shot to get himself one more ring.
Woodson isn't going to sign with a young and developing team like us and we shouldn't want to sign a 36 year old DB either who's had collar bone breaks in two of thhe last 3 seasons. |
How are we rebuilding if we just went 10-6 and have two QB's to be our franchise guys if not one is already ? we are 10-6 our O was top 10 this is now the time to bring in useful two year VETS to help out . |
While the offense is in good shape, the secondary is in shambles in terms of talent, money, and age.
| Quote: | | If Woodson is an upgrade over at FS or if at CB than do it i mean one year deal he is better than Wilson and Hall when healthy . Now there are other CB's but the " hes old talk" is BS if they are still good at a high level and can help us win games.. All we need is better DL and secondary with maybe one WR . |
I don't get the DL point, but I could see the idea of signing Woodson for a short contract. I suspect turtle28's concern is that we'd be making the mistake of giving a big contract to a guy who is done. Remember, he'll be 37 in early October, and hasn't played a full season since the Packers' Super Bowl season in 2010.
Given that this looks to be a deep safety draft, would it make more sense to invest in a 22 year old rookie for a $400-500K cap hit, or a 36/37 year old veteran at a $3-5M cap hit?
| Quote: | | other than that what is there to rebuild other than our D but that can be fixed with better FA's . If we where 5-11 it be different but at 10-6 your in your win now mode plus we are already young. |
You're saying that by only adding Woodson that we'll win the Super Bowl next year? That's all? Then add him.
However, I disagree. We're close, but not just one player away.
Our #1 corner is DeAngelo Hall, who could be a cap casualty this offseason. Our #2 corner is only signed through the rest of the season. The guy who was supposed to be our starting free safety (Tanard Jackson) was suspended at the beginning of the year and is a UFA otherwise. The guy who was our starting safety (Madieu Williams) stunk up the joint. Williams' backup (Jordan Pugh) is only signed through this year. Our starting strong safety (Reed Doughty) is a good role guy, but not a great safety ... he's also only signed through this year.
In short, here's the complete list of players in our secondary who are on the roster past this season:
Richard Crawford (FA in 2016)
DeAngelo Hall (FA in 2015, if not cut early)
DeJon Gomes (2015)
Jordan Bernsteine (2016)
Brandon Meriweather (2016)
Chase Minnifield (2015)
Devin Holland (2016, was signed on Jan 3)
Korey Lindsey (2016, was signed to a reserves/futures contract on Jan
Buddy Jackson (practice squad, hasn't been signed for 2013)
If Meriweather doesn't rehab well, gets hurt again, or goes nutso like he did in Chicago, we could easily be looking a completely new secondary in 2014.
That's not something you can realistically fix in free agency in one season. |
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turtle28
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| Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2013 5:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Dashing wrote: | | turtle28 wrote: | | S. Taylor wrote: | | Charles Woodson? |
too old, too costly and injury prone. This team is rebuilding with young players and developing them. I don't see any need to sign someone like Ed Reed or Charles Woodson. Its the total opposite of what we've been doing the past two years.
I see him going somewhere like Denver, New Orleans, Atlanta, Baltimore (if Reed leaves), New England or SF (if Goldson leaves) where he has a great shot to get himself one more ring.
Woodson isn't going to sign with a young and developing team like us and we shouldn't want to sign a 36 year old DB either who's had collar bone breaks in two of thhe last 3 seasons. |
How are we rebuilding if we just went 10-6 and have two QB's to be our franchise guys if not one is already ? we are 10-6 our O was top 10 this is now the time to bring in useful two year VETS to help out .
If Woodson is an upgrade over at FS or if at CB than do it i mean one year deal he is better than Wilson and Hall when healthy . Now there are other CB's but the " hes old talk" is BS if they are still good at a high level and can help us win games.. All we need is better DL and secondary with maybe one WR .
other than that what is there to rebuild other than our D but that can be fixed with better FA's . If we where 5-11 it be different but at 10-6 your in your win now mode plus we are already young. |
Last year was a rebuild year! How wasn't it?
Rookie qb, rookie Rb, two new starting wrs.
Either way, we are building/rebuilding whatever term you want to use with young players of FAs who are coming off their 1st rookie contracts, just entering their prime and bargain FAs to fill out the rest of the roster. As woz just said, our entire secondary needs rebuilt, we don't need just one guy. We definitely need two upgrades (FS and Nickel CB) and like woz said Hall could easily be a cut and Meriweather could be gone or not come back right from his knee injury. That's possibly 4 key guys in our secondary that need upgraded, it can't be done in just one offseason. On top of that, Fletcher won't be around too much longer, so there's another spot to fix on the D eventually or maybe this year if he retires.
I don't see that philosophy of going with rookies, young FAs entering their prime and bargain FAs to fill out the roster changing this year, we aren't going to overpay for a 36 year old DB and we can't afford to anyways. We need to find someone who is a FA in their prime that we can give a long term contract to and draft some prospects at DB to develop, both a Safety and CB.
I'm pretty sure that's going to be our plan also of you look at the track record of our last two offseasons.
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http://m.nfl.com/news/0ap1000000140303/sean-smith-reportedly-wont-get-miami-dolphins-tag/
So it appears maybe Smith will become available. Not saying we will go after him just saying I would be a very happy fan! Smith is a great talent and in this system I believe he could be elite. But the cap is a issue and I am confident with DHall at a reduced salary as well.
He is always outspoken but he played good ball at the end of the year and he had a great last game against the hottest WR the last 6 games outside of Megatron in Dez. I'm still more for drafting an CB and safty but I also saw this group play good down the strech and that was with injuries and minimal pass rush!
We need a stud FS or hybrid guy like Bacarri Rambo or Phillip Thomas for sure in the draft. But I believe CB if they don't reduce DHall and let him go CB is gonna be the biggest need! We have young and good players at CB in Crawford, Minefield. But minnfield has a injury history so we probably need one more! I mean if money was right Sam Shields, or Smith are key but with the cap issue I feel we should draft a earlier round CB because you cant ever have enough
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