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Drew_Carey
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| I think the candidate pool could be quite large.... I say interview everyone and narrow it down from there. |
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mas_atc
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| Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2012 5:53 pm Post subject: |
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| Productiondawg wrote: | | NickZambo wrote: | | Pruitt3443 wrote: | | What about a guy like Rob Chudzinski as a potential option? |
Failed OC from 2007-08? No thanks |
He's not doing that hot this year either.
As far as Mareneli goes, does anyone know how much of that 0-16 season was on the coach? As I recall, their talent that year was really terrible. |
I was looking up his staff from that year, and it sounded like he did a VERY poor job of hiring when it came to his staff. I know his D coaches were his son-in-law and son-in-law's dad... not good. He also had a quote saying... "well you fire coaches, you don't fire players". If we did go the Marinelli route, I would like a staff of him, Bob Babich (LB coach for Bears) be DC, and maybe Jim Caldwell (former Colts HC and current Ravens QB coach) be OC.... only reason I say Caldwell is they both fall under the Dungy coaching tree and probably think similar.
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JCBrowns21
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| Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2012 5:57 pm Post subject: |
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| Productiondawg wrote: | | NickZambo wrote: | | Pruitt3443 wrote: | | What about a guy like Rob Chudzinski as a potential option? |
Failed OC from 2007-08? No thanks |
He's not doing that hot this year either.
As far as Mareneli goes, does anyone know how much of that 0-16 season was on the coach? As I recall, their talent that year was really terrible. |
Most of the blame fell squarely on the shoulders of Matt Millen. Marinelli didn't win anyone over, but hard to blame him with those QBs and overall lack of talent. Think he's better as a coordinator than HC though.
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clubberlang
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| Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2012 6:02 pm Post subject: |
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5 guys I would be interested to bring in for an interview would be
Mike McCoy (has had success with his offenses while getting the most out of what he had to work with. Has used 3 different systems and made the most out of them from the orton qb days to tebow to payton.)
Chip Kelly (The name that scares the hell out of me but also intrigues me. He has his team competing year in and year out. His offensive style works in college and he is one of the top coaches in the college ranks. I just don't know if he could make the transition to the NFL.)
Jon Gruden (Had a pretty good record in Oakland and then won the SB in Tampa after Oakland traded him. After that he was up and down posting a couple of winning seasons. He's been out of the league since 08 so who knows if he even wants to come back.)
Josh McDaniels (Started off hot in Denver but could not sustain it. Has shown he has a great offensive mind. I think he got a little too much power and was not ready for it. In the right situation, I think he could be a very good head coach.)
Perry Fewell (Been around the league for a while as either a db coach or DC. Even worked under Jauron at one point I believe. Maybe Jauron would stick around if we go that route.) |
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buno67
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there is only one benefit i see in firing shurmur. I know ppl say it was have a positive impact on the team but I believe it will have a positive impact on the organzation.
I think if Haslem/Banner fire shurmur that it will show future coaches or any future employee that if you dont get your job done you will be replace. That it can send a message to our next head coach if you dont produce you will be fire.
do i want to fire shurmur? no i dont not
do i see a benefit if we fire shurmur? somewhat |
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Thomas5737
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| buno67 wrote: | there is only one benefit i see in firing shurmur. I know ppl say it was have a positive impact on the team but I believe it will have a positive impact on the organzation.
I think if Haslem/Banner fire shurmur that it will show future coaches or any future employee that if you dont get your job done you will be replace. That it can send a message to our next head coach if you dont produce you will be fire.
do i want to fire shurmur? no i dont not
do i see a benefit if we fire shurmur? somewhat |
We already have the reputation of firing coaches for not doing their jobs. We also have the reputation of firing coaches without giving them time to turn the team around. I don't think you inspire potential coaching candidates to apply by showing them that they will be on a short leash.
I do suspect we will have a different head coach next year, and hopefully it will be the last one for a long time. |
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Drew_Carey
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| Thomas5737 wrote: | | buno67 wrote: | there is only one benefit i see in firing shurmur. I know ppl say it was have a positive impact on the team but I believe it will have a positive impact on the organzation.
I think if Haslem/Banner fire shurmur that it will show future coaches or any future employee that if you dont get your job done you will be replace. That it can send a message to our next head coach if you dont produce you will be fire.
do i want to fire shurmur? no i dont not
do i see a benefit if we fire shurmur? somewhat |
We already have the reputation of firing coaches for not doing their jobs. We also have the reputation of firing coaches without giving them time to turn the team around. I don't think you inspire potential coaching candidates to apply by showing them that they will be on a short leash.
I do suspect we will have a different head coach next year, and hopefully it will be the last one for a long time. |
A reputation you are speaking of that covers what 3 or 4 different owners? I don't think it works that way except to fans.
Firing shurmur now does nothing to show that the next coach will have a short leash. What will show how much will be given depends upon the contract offer for the next coach. For instance, if Haslam feels that the guy he hires for HC is the right guy then give him a 10year guaranteed contract.... Versus offering 3 year contract with Lots of outs... |
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JCBrowns21
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| Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2012 7:55 pm Post subject: |
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| buno67 wrote: | | I think if Haslem/Banner fire shurmur that it will show future coaches or any future employee that if you dont get your job done you will be replace. That it can send a message to our next head coach if you dont produce you will be fire. |
You don't think coaches know this? I think it sends the message that if you can't win in two years you will be fired. What coach would want those circumstances?
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mistakebytehlak
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| Productiondawg wrote: | Here are my favorite candidates:
Deserving Coordinators
Mike Zimmer
Jay Gruden
Ray Horton
Former Head Coaches
Andy Ried (pending)
Brian Billick
College Coaches
Saban
Shaw
Dark Horses
Sean Peyton
John Gruden
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Reid? You guys complain about not running enough. He'd get crucified here.
Gruden? You guys complain about no consistency at the QB position. He'd have 5 QBs on the roster.
Saban? He quit on the Dolphins.
Peyton? He's either staying in NO, or going back to DAL- regardless, he let a bounty program on underneath his nose, not to mention his contract extension was voided due to a clause on Mickey Rooney's status as GM (he was tied to Rooney in some fashion). I don't think he leaves Rooney.
Billick, Cowher havent coached in years. Cowher will if anything stay in his own yard and coach CAR.
Not sold on Zimmer, heard he's not too good with people.
Heard good things about Keith Butler, and I'm sure Haslam has already met the guy seeing as how he was the owner of his team.
Ray Horton I'm not against AZ somehow has a good D. Also has playing experience and coaching experience.
not sold on any college coach.
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DawgSoldier
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| Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2012 8:08 pm Post subject: |
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| JCBrowns21 wrote: | | buno67 wrote: | | I think if Haslem/Banner fire shurmur that it will show future coaches or any future employee that if you dont get your job done you will be replace. That it can send a message to our next head coach if you dont produce you will be fire. |
You don't think coaches know this? I think it sends the message that if you can't win in two years you will be fired. What coach would want those circumstances? |
Haslams talent for bringing good people will be tested and I think he does well.
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candyman93
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MBTL brought up another good one, Keith Butler
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Productiondawg
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| Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2012 8:34 pm Post subject: |
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| mistakebytehlak wrote: | | Productiondawg wrote: | Here are my favorite candidates:
Deserving Coordinators
Mike Zimmer
Jay Gruden
Ray Horton
Former Head Coaches
Andy Ried (pending)
Brian Billick
College Coaches
Saban
Shaw
Dark Horses
Sean Peyton
John Gruden
Chin |
Reid? You guys complain about not running enough. He'd get crucified here.
Gruden? You guys complain about no consistency at the QB position. He'd have 5 QBs on the roster.
Saban? He quit on the Dolphins.
Peyton? He's either staying in NO, or going back to DAL- regardless, he let a bounty program on underneath his nose, not to mention his contract extension was voided due to a clause on Mickey Rooney's status as GM (he was tied to Rooney in some fashion). I don't think he leaves Rooney.
Billick, Cowher havent coached in years. Cowher will if anything stay in his own yard and coach CAR.
Not sold on Zimmer, heard he's not too good with people.
Heard good things about Keith Butler, and I'm sure Haslam has already met the guy seeing as how he was the owner of his team.
Ray Horton I'm not against AZ somehow has a good D. Also has playing experience and coaching experience.
not sold on any college coach. |
I should have been more clear, only the coordinators on my list were my favorites, the rest just rounded out the list. I never thought about Keith Butler and I think it's a fantastic idea and has all the right connections, Stealers LB coach and University of Tennessee's DC when Manning was there, I'm sure he's on Haslam's radar.
The only thing I disagreed with your post was Zimmer. I work in a field that puts me around a lot of football personalities, especially the Bengals because of where my office is located and I've never hear a bad thing about Zimmer, I can state for a fact that his players love him. Has resume is outstanding and he gets offers for interviews more an more every year, it's only a matter of time before he takes one. When Marvin's contract was up I was convinced he would have been let go and Zimmer would take over. Obviously that didn't happen and I think Mike Brown's mistake could be it good fortune.
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mistakebytehlak
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maybe his rep has changed in CIN, I remember saying that he didnt play well with others in DAL.
then again, I could be wrong and thinking of another DAL D-coord
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mistakebytehlak
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one coach who i would gladly take if he was ever fired/not resigned is none other than Marvin Lewis
his 2000 Ravens D was legendary
he hasnt had a real front office ever in CIN
I think he's a hell of a coach, personally.
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Productiondawg
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| mistakebytehlak wrote: | one coach who i would gladly take if he was ever fired/not resigned is none other than Marvin Lewis
his 2000 Ravens D was legendary
he hasnt had a real front office ever in CIN
I think he's a hell of a coach, personally. |
I can definitely agree with you on this. Marvin is not only good for the city of Cincinnati, but he is the reason why they are even competitive. He literally coaches with one hand tied behind his back and still manages to come up with wins.
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