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PostPosted: Mon Nov 05, 2012 2:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Give me the best available DB PERIOD! Very Happy I like a lot of them because I know they will be better or are as good as the ones we have now as rookies and tey will be better than them in time.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 05, 2012 3:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I still think priority is one of those game breaking receivers.. All the top teams seem to have one,, maybe Garcon could be that guy but with this injury--who knows.. RGiii needs his go to playmaker.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 05, 2012 8:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

With the 2nd round pick I would be happy with any of these picks:

WR:
Cordarelle Patterson
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afFxvuAXnzU

Justin Hunter
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5M09m2Sd5s

Terrance Williams
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWudlePQytM&feature=related

Da'rick Rogers
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BHOXRyDLuw

S:
Bacarri Rambo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PczX7Ej1b34

Kenny Vaccaro
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ScLY4PTo83I

CB:
Xavier Rhodes
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXZQs52yooI

OL:
Haven't looked at this class to much, but if a great prospect slipped to our pick I'd also be happy with that in the 2nd

Other random picks in other rounds I'd be happy with:

CB:
Tyrann Mathieu
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixGedaeYz-I

Carrington Byndom
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKi27tDR60g

S:
Robert Lester
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjvhYLMdfrU

WR:
Marcus Davis
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hsfUjDxb8ig

Tavon Austin
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Q3UOd9_Tkw

Basically any combo of these players would make me happy on draft day. As you can see I really want the skins to get a WR. It's been hard to watch this year as I've been a RG3 fan since his freshman year in college, and so far he hasn't been able to use one of his best talents with the skins, which is his deep ball. I've seen numerous drops on it so far this year on the limited times the skins have tried to go deep, so any of these WR's would help open up the offense, and with Garcon healthy could give the skins a lethal passing attack.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 05, 2012 9:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

tyler735 wrote:
With the 2nd round pick I would be happy with any of these picks:

WR:
Cordarelle Patterson
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afFxvuAXnzU

Justin Hunter
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5M09m2Sd5s

Terrance Williams
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWudlePQytM&feature=related

Da'rick Rogers
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BHOXRyDLuw

S:
Bacarri Rambo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PczX7Ej1b34

Kenny Vaccaro
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ScLY4PTo83I

CB:
Xavier Rhodes
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXZQs52yooI

OL:
Haven't looked at this class to much, but if a great prospect slipped to our pick I'd also be happy with that in the 2nd

Other random picks in other rounds I'd be happy with:

CB:
Tyrann Mathieu
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixGedaeYz-I

Carrington Byndom
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKi27tDR60g

S:
Robert Lester
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjvhYLMdfrU

WR:
Marcus Davis
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hsfUjDxb8ig

Tavon Austin
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Q3UOd9_Tkw

Basically any combo of these players would make me happy on draft day. As you can see I really want the skins to get a WR. It's been hard to watch this year as I've been a RG3 fan since his freshman year in college, and so far he hasn't been able to use one of his best talents with the skins, which is his deep ball. I've seen numerous drops on it so far this year on the limited times the skins have tried to go deep, so any of these WR's would help open up the offense, and with Garcon healthy could give the skins a lethal passing attack.
i think we have good wrs. Garcon, unfortunately is hurt- we miss him, Hankerson is developing well but needs more experience, same with Robinson and Briscoe.

I think DB is our biggest need, after that upgrading the RT position. The team and defense won't improve unless we get better coverage and tacking in the secondary.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 06, 2012 3:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

turtle28 wrote:
tyler735 wrote:
With the 2nd round pick I would be happy with any of these picks:

WR:
Cordarelle Patterson
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afFxvuAXnzU

Justin Hunter
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5M09m2Sd5s

Terrance Williams
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWudlePQytM&feature=related

Da'rick Rogers
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BHOXRyDLuw

S:
Bacarri Rambo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PczX7Ej1b34

Kenny Vaccaro
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ScLY4PTo83I

CB:
Xavier Rhodes
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXZQs52yooI

OL:
Haven't looked at this class to much, but if a great prospect slipped to our pick I'd also be happy with that in the 2nd

Other random picks in other rounds I'd be happy with:

CB:
Tyrann Mathieu
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixGedaeYz-I

Carrington Byndom
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKi27tDR60g

S:
Robert Lester
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjvhYLMdfrU

WR:
Marcus Davis
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hsfUjDxb8ig

Tavon Austin
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Q3UOd9_Tkw

Basically any combo of these players would make me happy on draft day. As you can see I really want the skins to get a WR. It's been hard to watch this year as I've been a RG3 fan since his freshman year in college, and so far he hasn't been able to use one of his best talents with the skins, which is his deep ball. I've seen numerous drops on it so far this year on the limited times the skins have tried to go deep, so any of these WR's would help open up the offense, and with Garcon healthy could give the skins a lethal passing attack.
i think we have good wrs. Garcon, unfortunately is hurt- we miss him, Hankerson is developing well but needs more experience, same with Robinson and Briscoe.

I think DB is our biggest need, after that upgrading the RT position. The team and defense won't improve unless we get better coverage and tacking in the secondary.


I just don't agree at this point. Garcon could and most likely will be a good WR for us next season. The problem I have is that Robinson, Hankerson, and Briscoe haven't shown that they can be game changers. Robinson and Hankerson have shown that they have inconsistent hands. Both have dropped numerous balls this year. They both seem to have trouble pulling in passes down the field. Combined Briscoe, Robinson, and Hankerson have had 1 catch over 30 yards this year, and on that play Hankerson almost dropped a perfectly thrown ball yet again.

Basically I could see those 3 guys develop into decent number 3 or 4 WR's but nothing more. If we draft a guy like Cordarelle Patterson, Justin Hunter, Terrance Williams, Da'rick Rogers, Marcus Davis, or Tavon Austin we can utilize one of RG3's best assets which is his down field passing. Especially next year with Garcon back in the lineup. We could have 2 WR's that play into RG'3 strengths as a passer with Garcon plus one of the above mentioned WR's, and then have Morgan, Hankerson, and Robinson fill out the rest of the WR corps. This could give us a dangerous offense for years to come.

We could still potentially sign a solid free agent or two, should be a couple cb's and safety's that could upgrade our secondary (Phillips, Byrd, Routt, Shields, Jenkins, Cromartie etc.). Could most likely sign one or two in the off season without breaking the bank.

In our other rounds we can still pick up secondary help (Rambo, Lester, Byndom, Mathieu) and O-line help as well. Also, we still have tons of young O-lineman that we drafted this year, so hopefully with a year of experience one of them can emerge as a solid contributor next year.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 06, 2012 8:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I just don't agree at this point. Garcon could and most likely will be a good WR for us next season. The problem I have is that Robinson, Hankerson, and Briscoe haven't shown that they can be game changers. Robinson and Hankerson have shown that they have inconsistent hands. Both have dropped numerous balls this year. They both seem to have trouble pulling in passes down the field. Combined Briscoe, Robinson, and Hankerson have had 1 catch over 30 yards this year, and on that play Hankerson almost dropped a perfectly thrown ball yet again.

Basically I could see those 3 guys develop into decent number 3 or 4 WR's but nothing more. If we draft a guy like Cordarelle Patterson, Justin Hunter, Terrance Williams, Da'rick Rogers, Marcus Davis, or Tavon Austin we can utilize one of RG3's best assets which is his down field passing. Especially next year with Garcon back in the lineup. We could have 2 WR's that play into RG'3 strengths as a passer with Garcon plus one of the above mentioned WR's, and then have Morgan, Hankerson, and Robinson fill out the rest of the WR corps. This could give us a dangerous offense for years to come.

We could still potentially sign a solid free agent or two, should be a couple cb's and safety's that could upgrade our secondary (Phillips, Byrd, Routt, Shields, Jenkins, Cromartie etc.). Could most likely sign one or two in the off season without breaking the bank.

In our other rounds we can still pick up secondary help (Rambo, Lester, Byndom, Mathieu) and O-line help as well. Also, we still have tons of young O-lineman that we drafted this year, so hopefully with a year of experience one of them can emerge as a solid contributor next year.
to me that strategy screams out Vinny Cerrato plan.

We have holes in our team where we have 1, maybe 2 good prospects to develop. Vinny would not focus on that in the draft, he'd keep loading up on a position where we just invested a lot in two starting caliber Wrs and we have 3 young guys "developing" key word here.

Who are we developing in the secondary on our team right now who has hopes of being a starter someday? I'll answer that- maybe, maybe Gomes, besides that we have nothing.

I understand the young Wrs have been inconsistent but they are developing and "young".

Do we really need to focus our efforts in the draft on an area where we are currently carrying 7 Wrs ( if Garçon is healthy)? To me that sounds like wasting your limited resources.

What I'd do is get a WR in FA who's cheaper than Moss and keep developing the young players we have. I'd focus on getting young players to develop in the draft where we don't have many to develop:

DBs, OTs, late round LBs.

If our young Wrs don't look more consistent again in the 2013 season, then I'd take a wr in the 2nd round of the 2014 draft but I would not jump the gun now.

If we don't draft and develop some DBs for the future that can stop someone from scoring via coverage than we won't improve a a team. I DON'T want to be the Baylor Bears or WVU mountaineers of the nfl. I don't want to have to out score everyone because we can't cover anyone.

I wouldn't want Rambo or Mathieu both have been in trouble with drugs. That's the only reason those two fools aren't 1st day prospects. Lester and Byndom might be there in the third but you are taking a big risk if you want to upgrade your secondary the most and you are passing up the best respects in round 2.

That type of mismanagement gets front offices fired.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 06, 2012 9:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

tyler735 wrote:
turtle28 wrote:
tyler735 wrote:
With the 2nd round pick I would be happy with any of these picks:

WR:
Cordarelle Patterson
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afFxvuAXnzU

Justin Hunter
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5M09m2Sd5s

Terrance Williams
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWudlePQytM&feature=related

Da'rick Rogers
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BHOXRyDLuw

S:
Bacarri Rambo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PczX7Ej1b34

Kenny Vaccaro
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ScLY4PTo83I

CB:
Xavier Rhodes
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXZQs52yooI

OL:
Haven't looked at this class to much, but if a great prospect slipped to our pick I'd also be happy with that in the 2nd

Other random picks in other rounds I'd be happy with:

CB:
Tyrann Mathieu
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixGedaeYz-I

Carrington Byndom
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKi27tDR60g

S:
Robert Lester
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjvhYLMdfrU

WR:
Marcus Davis
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hsfUjDxb8ig

Tavon Austin
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Q3UOd9_Tkw

Basically any combo of these players would make me happy on draft day. As you can see I really want the skins to get a WR. It's been hard to watch this year as I've been a RG3 fan since his freshman year in college, and so far he hasn't been able to use one of his best talents with the skins, which is his deep ball. I've seen numerous drops on it so far this year on the limited times the skins have tried to go deep, so any of these WR's would help open up the offense, and with Garcon healthy could give the skins a lethal passing attack.
i think we have good wrs. Garcon, unfortunately is hurt- we miss him, Hankerson is developing well but needs more experience, same with Robinson and Briscoe.

I think DB is our biggest need, after that upgrading the RT position. The team and defense won't improve unless we get better coverage and tacking in the secondary.


I just don't agree at this point. Garcon could and most likely will be a good WR for us next season. The problem I have is that Robinson, Hankerson, and Briscoe haven't shown that they can be game changers. Robinson and Hankerson have shown that they have inconsistent hands. Both have dropped numerous balls this year. They both seem to have trouble pulling in passes down the field. Combined Briscoe, Robinson, and Hankerson have had 1 catch over 30 yards this year, and on that play Hankerson almost dropped a perfectly thrown ball yet again.

Basically I could see those 3 guys develop into decent number 3 or 4 WR's but nothing more. If we draft a guy like Cordarelle Patterson, Justin Hunter, Terrance Williams, Da'rick Rogers, Marcus Davis, or Tavon Austin we can utilize one of RG3's best assets which is his down field passing. Especially next year with Garcon back in the lineup. We could have 2 WR's that play into RG'3 strengths as a passer with Garcon plus one of the above mentioned WR's, and then have Morgan, Hankerson, and Robinson fill out the rest of the WR corps. This could give us a dangerous offense for years to come.

We could still potentially sign a solid free agent or two, should be a couple cb's and safety's that could upgrade our secondary (Phillips, Byrd, Routt, Shields, Jenkins, Cromartie etc.). Could most likely sign one or two in the off season without breaking the bank.

In our other rounds we can still pick up secondary help (Rambo, Lester, Byndom, Mathieu) and O-line help as well. Also, we still have tons of young O-lineman that we drafted this year, so hopefully with a year of experience one of them can emerge as a solid contributor next year.

I agree exactly.. I see the teams receivers the same as you.. We need a Home Run threat..
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 06, 2012 9:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I agree exactly.. I see the teams receivers the same as you.. We need a Home Run threat..
so we are going to be the Baylor bears and just hope to out score everyone because we can't cover anyone?

Oh and guys Terrance Williams has firmly placed himself in the 1st round of the 2013 nfl draft as of right now. I don't see that changing and I don't see us even having the chance of drafting him unless we want to trade multiple picks to move up and draft him.
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turtle28 wrote:
RSkinGM wrote:
I agree exactly.. I see the teams receivers the same as you.. We need a Home Run threat..
so we are going to be the Baylor bears and just hope to out score everyone because we can't cover anyone?

Oh and guys Terrance Williams has firmly placed himself in the 1st round of the 2013 nfl draft as of right now. I don't see that changing and I don't see us even having the chance of drafting him unless we want to trade multiple picks to move up and draft him.


You're point is well taken, however, I brought this up for discussion a few months ago--Do you want one great unit ( offense or defense ) or two so-so units.. The offense to me is further along so let's keep that going and have a great offense--and do what we can to bolster the defense..
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turtle28 wrote:
RSkinGM wrote:
I agree exactly.. I see the teams receivers the same as you.. We need a Home Run threat..
so we are going to be the Baylor bears and just hope to out score everyone because we can't cover anyone?

Oh and guys Terrance Williams has firmly placed himself in the 1st round of the 2013 nfl draft as of right now. I don't see that changing and I don't see us even having the chance of drafting him unless we want to trade multiple picks to move up and draft him.


We will have more than enough good options in free agency to improve the defensive backfield if thats the route we choose to go. I just think Terrance Williams would be far too valuable to pass up if available there however he is the only guy I would pass up Rambo to take otherwise I'm all in on Bacarri Rambo.
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lavar703 wrote:
turtle28 wrote:
RSkinGM wrote:
I agree exactly.. I see the teams receivers the same as you.. We need a Home Run threat..
so we are going to be the Baylor bears and just hope to out score everyone because we can't cover anyone?

Oh and guys Terrance Williams has firmly placed himself in the 1st round of the 2013 nfl draft as of right now. I don't see that changing and I don't see us even having the chance of drafting him unless we want to trade multiple picks to move up and draft him.


We will have more than enough good options in free agency to improve the defensive backfield if thats the route we choose to go. I just think Terrance Williams would be far too valuable to pass up if available there however he is the only guy I would pass up Rambo to take otherwise I'm all in on Bacarri Rambo.
get used to Fred Davis suspensions with Rambo. I don't trust the guy.
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turtle28 wrote:
lavar703 wrote:
turtle28 wrote:
RSkinGM wrote:
I agree exactly.. I see the teams receivers the same as you.. We need a Home Run threat..
so we are going to be the Baylor bears and just hope to out score everyone because we can't cover anyone?

Oh and guys Terrance Williams has firmly placed himself in the 1st round of the 2013 nfl draft as of right now. I don't see that changing and I don't see us even having the chance of drafting him unless we want to trade multiple picks to move up and draft him.


We will have more than enough good options in free agency to improve the defensive backfield if thats the route we choose to go. I just think Terrance Williams would be far too valuable to pass up if available there however he is the only guy I would pass up Rambo to take otherwise I'm all in on Bacarri Rambo.
get used to Fred Davis suspensions with Rambo. I don't trust the guy.


I dont know, we should just draft Rambo and Mathieu. Hell of a lot of talent there, and just make sure that in their contract it is stated they are to live in a Rehab center during their tenure with the Redskins.

At some point you have to give a guy a chance to redeem himself.

But if we can grab Rambo in the 3rd, maybe 4th round, what kind of value can we get there? That is damn good value if you ask me.
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turtle28 wrote:
lavar703 wrote:
turtle28 wrote:
RSkinGM wrote:
I agree exactly.. I see the teams receivers the same as you.. We need a Home Run threat..
so we are going to be the Baylor bears and just hope to out score everyone because we can't cover anyone?

Oh and guys Terrance Williams has firmly placed himself in the 1st round of the 2013 nfl draft as of right now. I don't see that changing and I don't see us even having the chance of drafting him unless we want to trade multiple picks to move up and draft him.


We will have more than enough good options in free agency to improve the defensive backfield if thats the route we choose to go. I just think Terrance Williams would be far too valuable to pass up if available there however he is the only guy I would pass up Rambo to take otherwise I'm all in on Bacarri Rambo.
get used to Fred Davis suspensions with Rambo. I don't trust the guy.


A lot of kids make silly mistakes in college, I would give him a chance to redeem himself.
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was hoping in the offseason we draft

Round 2 David Amerson, CB, N.C. State
Round 3 Oday Aboushi OT, Virginia
Round 4 Robert Lester SS, Alabama
Round 5 Marquess Wilson*, WR, Washington State
Round 5 Kenjon Barner, RB, Oregon
Round 6 Aaron Tipoti, DT, California
Round 6 Braden Hansen, G/C, BYU
Round 7 Ray Ray Armstrong

FA

Jarius Byrd
Aqib Talib


Cuts

Moss,Hall,Brown

Restructure - Fletcher.
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Dro wrote:
was hoping in the offseason we draft

Round 2 David Amerson, CB, N.C. State
Round 3 Oday Aboushi OT, Virginia
Round 4 Robert Lester SS, Alabama
Round 5 Marquess Wilson*, WR, Washington State
Round 5 Kenjon Barner, RB, Oregon
Round 6 Aaron Tipoti, DT, California
Round 6 Braden Hansen, G/C, BYU
Round 7 Ray Ray Armstrong

FA

Jarius Byrd
Aqib Talib


Cuts

Moss,Hall,Brown

Restructure - Fletcher.


We only have 2 5th's and 1 6th.

Robert Lester is a 2nd round projection currently. No way he drops tot he 4th.

Dont want Ray Ray Armstrong.

Aqib Talib was just traded to the Patriots, so he won't be available.

And we have to force Fletcher to retire. He is slow, out of place and just playing badly. It is time to actually let him hang em up.
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