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Who would be your choice for OROY if the season ended today?
RGIII
16%
 16%  [ 22 ]
Andrew Luck
55%
 55%  [ 73 ]
Doug Martin
28%
 28%  [ 37 ]
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Malik


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 10, 2012 9:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tom Shean wrote:
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Luck didn't get hit late at all. He was already in motion to tackle before Luck even started to slide. Luck's head hitting his back is entirely on him.


Landry was in motion, but he could have easily avoided Luck, jumped over him, tapped him down, etc... But instead he just turned around and laid him out.


And Luck could of slide much earlier. The onus is entirely on him. You go for the tackle against the runner. That's your job on defense when you see the guy in the open field with the ball.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 10, 2012 9:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Malik wrote:
Tom Shean wrote:
Malik wrote:
Luck didn't get hit late at all. He was already in motion to tackle before Luck even started to slide. Luck's head hitting his back is entirely on him.


Landry was in motion, but he could have easily avoided Luck, jumped over him, tapped him down, etc... But instead he just turned around and laid him out.


And Luck could of slide much earlier. The onus is entirely on him. You go for the tackle against the runner. That's your job on defense when you see the guy in the open field with the ball.


Luck picked the perfect time to slide because he would get the maximum amount of yards without anybody hitting him. Unfortunately, Landry hit him, and it was late.
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Tom Shean wrote:
Malik wrote:
Tom Shean wrote:
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Luck didn't get hit late at all. He was already in motion to tackle before Luck even started to slide. Luck's head hitting his back is entirely on him.


Landry was in motion, but he could have easily avoided Luck, jumped over him, tapped him down, etc... But instead he just turned around and laid him out.


And Luck could of slide much earlier. The onus is entirely on him. You go for the tackle against the runner. That's your job on defense when you see the guy in the open field with the ball.


Luck picked the perfect time to slide because he would get the maximum amount of yards without anybody hitting him. Unfortunately, Landry hit him, and it was late.


Which is why he deserved a hit. As YOU said, the HB's job is to get a maximum amount of yards and in doing that, he takes hits. Luck tried to get the maximum amount of yards and because he did, he got hit.

And he didn't get hit that hard. Landry could have blown him up but instead went out of his way to avoid taking Luck's head off. Which Malik so articulately explained.
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Speaking of Martin, he hadn't even really done anything eye-popping until a couple of weeks ago.


Naturally his numbers can't stay as ridiculous as they are, but his mediocre numbers early in the season had a lot to do with poor vision, which he's improved at handily. He has the power and speed but left a lot of yards on the field in early games by making poor choices of running lanes. The huge surge in numbers over the last couple games has largely been a product of that improved vision.

False. It was the playcalling, which has been superb since the bye week. That's why our offense as a whole is 100000000000000x better in the second quarter of the season than it was in the first.


The playcalling definitely a lot better post-bye, but a lot of it was also Doug getting a lot better vision at when to cut back and hit a more open running lane rather than going solely toward the lane the play was called to go through.

He was averaging ~3.5 yards per carry because we followed a simple formula:

First Down - Power I, run up the middle
Second Down - Playaction
Third Down - Checkdown
Fourth Down - Punt

We had about a dozen straight three-and-outs spread across two games at one point. There were people that know nothing about football predicting what we were gonna do. Schiano and Sully, for whatever reason, decided we were gonna force Martin up the middle at will, regardless if it worked or not. And it would be out of the same formation EVERY time. And if we had a lead, Martin would get three straight runs up the middle before we punted. The defense would have eight or nine guys in the box. Free was told not to audible, and we'd run right up the middle.

After the bye week, we switched it up. We started passing on first down. We ran to the outside. We used Lorig (our FB) less often. We threw the ball down field. We still pass the ball a little bit if we have the lead. Free is able to check plays at the line.

We average over 30 points a game since our bye, and it's due to playcalling.
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Luck is ahead of RG3 already imo, especially given the records. I think it should matter


Given the records? So Andy Dalton should have beaten out Cam Newton?

How about we take into account the opponents? The Redskins have one of the toughest schedules in the NFL given the talent of their opponents

I know the Colts had that one game vs the packers and that's impressive but overall there is no comparison in SOS so that shouldn't be used as an edge

Should look at the production and RGIII even with recent struggles is more impressive
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BBIB wrote:
JaguarCrazy2832 wrote:
Luck is ahead of RG3 already imo, especially given the records. I think it should matter


Given the records? So Andy Dalton should have beaten out Cam Newton?

How about we take into account the opponents? The Redskins have one of the toughest schedules in the NFL given the talent of their opponents

I know the Colts had that one game vs the packers and that's impressive but overall there is no comparison in SOS so that shouldn't be used as an edge

Should look at the production and RGIII even with recent struggles is more impressive


You can't use the weak opponents argument for either.

Both Luck and RG3 have struggled against good defenses and been good against weak defenses.
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Tom Shean wrote:
BBIB wrote:
JaguarCrazy2832 wrote:
Luck is ahead of RG3 already imo, especially given the records. I think it should matter


Given the records? So Andy Dalton should have beaten out Cam Newton?

How about we take into account the opponents? The Redskins have one of the toughest schedules in the NFL given the talent of their opponents

I know the Colts had that one game vs the packers and that's impressive but overall there is no comparison in SOS so that shouldn't be used as an edge

Should look at the production and RGIII even with recent struggles is more impressive


You can't use the weak opponents argument for either.

Both Luck and RG3 have struggled against good defenses and been good against weak defenses.


Well quietly a guy who may have the combination of wins and production (at least as far as TDs) is Russell Wilson

Seahawks could get the final wildcard spot and Russell Wilson could finish up with as many TDs as Luck.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 18, 2012 8:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Bump Laughing


Was there a point to this post?
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Bump Laughing


Was there a point to this post?

A. Luck 24/43 299 2 TD 2 Int vs the Patriots 29th ranked passing defense

R. Griffin 14/15 200 (84 rushing) 4TD 0int. Perfect QB rating vs 12th ranked passing defense.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 18, 2012 8:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not a great day for Luck, for sure. He has made some amazing throws today, though. I still think if the Colts make the playoffs he's gonna come away with the award.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 18, 2012 8:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Tom Shean wrote:
tyler735 wrote:
Bump Laughing


Was there a point to this post?

A. Luck 24/43 299 2 TD 2 Int vs the Patriots 29th ranked passing defense

R. Griffin 14/15 200 (84 rushing) 4TD 0int. Perfect QB rating vs 12th ranked passing defense.


Doug Martin 1000 yards at 5.07 YPC.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 18, 2012 8:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MikeLowrey wrote:
Tom Shean wrote:
tyler735 wrote:
Bump Laughing


Was there a point to this post?

A. Luck 24/43 299 2 TD 2 Int vs the Patriots 29th ranked passing defense

R. Griffin 14/15 200 (84 rushing) 4TD 0int. Perfect QB rating vs 12th ranked passing defense.


You do realize he threw the ball 1/4 as many times? The Colts offense is Andrew Lucks' arm. Redskins offense is based around the running game and play action/option.
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dahobofest wrote:
MikeLowrey wrote:
Tom Shean wrote:
tyler735 wrote:
Bump Laughing


Was there a point to this post?

A. Luck 24/43 299 2 TD 2 Int vs the Patriots 29th ranked passing defense

R. Griffin 14/15 200 (84 rushing) 4TD 0int. Perfect QB rating vs 12th ranked passing defense.


You do realize he threw the ball 1/4 as many times? The Colts offense is Andrew Lucks' arm. Redskins offense is based around the running game and play action/option.


Luck has had more turnovers in the last two games playing against the Pats, and Jags, than RG3 has all season.

RG3's ARM and LEGS are the Skins offense
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