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Worm Guts


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PostPosted: Sun Nov 11, 2012 4:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Klomp wrote:
Said it before, and I'll say it again. If we make a change, it will be for Bethel-Thompson, not Webb.


Do you honestly think MBT gives us a better chance to win than Webb? I think the main reason for a change is we still have a chance to make the playoffs but Ponder is killing us. If we don't care about winning we should just ride out Ponder the rest of the season.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 11, 2012 8:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Worm Guts wrote:
Klomp wrote:
Said it before, and I'll say it again. If we make a change, it will be for Bethel-Thompson, not Webb.


Do you honestly think MBT gives us a better chance to win than Webb? I think the main reason for a change is we still have a chance to make the playoffs but Ponder is killing us. If we don't care about winning we should just ride out Ponder the rest of the season.
playing MBT anytime within the next 2 years would be stupid. Hes a young Qb whom they want to develop. You don't throw him to the wolves because after about 19 games of still being a young qb impatient and ridiculous fans will be calling for his benching for the next young QB they will.want to play too soon
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 11, 2012 11:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't think there's any Webb-bashing going on, I think all our guys like his skill set a lot and wish he was used more often.

but as a starting QB in every game? not so much. that doesn't mean he's being "bashed."
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 11, 2012 11:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Our issue is the vertical game. Who throws the best deep ball on the team? McLeod Bethel-Thompson.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 11, 2012 11:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Klomp wrote:
Our issue is the vertical game. Who throws the best deep ball on the team? McLeod Bethel-Thompson.

doesn't mean he can throw it accurately or consistently, you're just assuming he can.

or that he can read anything better than third string pre-season defenses.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 11, 2012 11:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

vike daddy wrote:
Klomp wrote:
Our issue is the vertical game. Who throws the best deep ball on the team? McLeod Bethel-Thompson.

doesn't mean he can throw it accurately or consistently, you're just assuming he can.

or that he can read anything better than third string pre-season defenses.


That's a fair point. I could just be drinking the PA kool-aid.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 11, 2012 11:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Klomp wrote:
vike daddy wrote:
Klomp wrote:
Our issue is the vertical game. Who throws the best deep ball on the team? McLeod Bethel-Thompson.

doesn't mean he can throw it accurately or consistently, you're just assuming he can.

or that he can read anything better than third string pre-season defenses.


That's a fair point. I could just be drinking the PA kool-aid.


PA has a whole lot of Kool-aid, probably the biggest Viking homer to grace this planet. Laughing
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 4:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

49ersfan wrote:
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000094858/article/backup-quarterbacks-who-has-best-contingency-plan-worst

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» I reached out to three highly respected personnel executives and asked them to give each of the 14 backup quarterbacks on winning teams a letter grade of A, B or C.

» Each A grade = 3 points

» Each B grade = 2 points

» Each C grade = 1 points

» After totaling the points, I separated the quarterbacks into five different tiers.

Only one player received straight A's.


3 "highly respected" anonymous personnel executives ranked the 14 backup QB's on winning teams. There are several tiers in the article.

You can check the article for the entire breakdown and analysis, but here's his tiers...

Tier 1- TJ Yates

Tier 2- Jason Campbell, Matt Flynn, Ryan Mallett

Tier 3- David Carr, Joe Webb

Tier 4- Colin Kaepernick, Byron Leftwich, Drew Stanton, Brock Osweiler

Tier 5- Graham Harrell, Luke McCown, Dan Orlovsky, Tyrod Taylor


for what it's worth.
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vike daddy wrote:
49ersfan wrote:
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000094858/article/backup-quarterbacks-who-has-best-contingency-plan-worst

Quote:
» I reached out to three highly respected personnel executives and asked them to give each of the 14 backup quarterbacks on winning teams a letter grade of A, B or C.

» Each A grade = 3 points

» Each B grade = 2 points

» Each C grade = 1 points

» After totaling the points, I separated the quarterbacks into five different tiers.

Only one player received straight A's.


3 "highly respected" anonymous personnel executives ranked the 14 backup QB's on winning teams. There are several tiers in the article.

You can check the article for the entire breakdown and analysis, but here's his tiers...

Tier 1- TJ Yates

Tier 2- Jason Campbell, Matt Flynn, Ryan Mallett

Tier 3- David Carr, Joe Webb

Tier 4- Colin Kaepernick, Byron Leftwich, Drew Stanton, Brock Osweiler

Tier 5- Graham Harrell, Luke McCown, Dan Orlovsky, Tyrod Taylor


for what it's worth.


Yeah, I posted in the NFL General forum that I watched Colin Kaepernick on Sunday and he didn't look nearly as good as Webb did a year ago, although some of that might have been first-game jitters on Kaepernick's part.

I also noticed in the 49ers game that the Rams defence had zero difficulty making the adjustment from Alex Smith to Colin Kaepernick, which is about equivalent to the adjustment from Ponder to Webb.
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