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PostPosted: Mon Nov 05, 2012 4:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Isn't today the deadline for PUP players to either be activated or put on IR?
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 05, 2012 4:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dubyajay wrote:
spilltray wrote:
Dubyajay wrote:
MNPackfan32 wrote:
I have been one of the biggest Finley guys around. I didn't get to watch the game yesterday but a quick glance to the box score says that apparently the coaching staff has moved on from him. 1 catch for 6 yards? With Nelson and Jennings out you have to produce a lot more than that, plain and simple. Now I am still not in the camp that says to start Crabtree or Williams over him, although Crabtree is getting more snaps which he has earned. Finley needs to be on the field IMO. But in my line of thinking, right now Tyler Eifert in round 1 is looking real sexy.


Stop being a blind hater.


How is that being a blind hater? Top 2 WRs out and Finley barely saw the field, much less the ball. 2 years 14 mil is HUGE for a TE and is there any way you can justify that other than potential that was last really seen in 2009?


Chill Spill, I was just being facetious. He has been calling others haters for what he just said. I was just having some fun.
Actually I just defend the things he says. People have been irrational wanting him benched because his agent tweeted something. I am just simply looking for a player upgrade at the position. Nobody should start over Finley, but as I look at it, this offseason that is a position we could draft high even if we keep Finley.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 05, 2012 4:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Actually I just defend the things he says. People have been irrational wanting him benched because his agent tweeted something. I am just simply looking for a player upgrade at the position. Nobody should start over Finley, but as I look at it, this offseason that is a position we could draft high even if we keep Finley.
I can't speak for anyone else but the reason i wanted him benched had nothing to do with his agent. IT had everything to do with his poor play. He's lost a couple steps after his injury. His concentration is terrible. And his mouth continues to run. He's not worth his salary and needs to be replaced this off season if his play doesn't dramatically improve over the last half of the season.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 05, 2012 4:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Some fans in the Zona forum are complaining about the refs... Laughing


Yep! The refs handed the Packers a win and are making up for the "seachickens" game!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Rolling Eyes


Anyways - What does everyone think about Brad Jones at ILB this year?

Their offensive interference screenshot is lulzy. That defender engaged Driver and it was within 5 yards of the LOS. not sure how that could be called PI.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 05, 2012 4:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ketchup wrote:
MNPackfan32 wrote:
Actually I just defend the things he says. People have been irrational wanting him benched because his agent tweeted something. I am just simply looking for a player upgrade at the position. Nobody should start over Finley, but as I look at it, this offseason that is a position we could draft high even if we keep Finley.
I can't speak for anyone else but the reason i wanted him benched had nothing to do with his agent. IT had everything to do with his poor play. He's lost a couple steps after his injury. His concentration is terrible. And his mouth continues to run. He's not worth his salary and needs to be replaced this off season if his play doesn't dramatically improve over the last half of the season.
I think benching him would be a big mistake IMO. That is where I think I am on a different side than everybody else. Nobody has proven to me they can be the man. Crabtree has had a couple nice plays but won't ever be a #1 receiving TE, Williams has squandered basically every opportunity he has had and Taylor is basically a ST body. I think you keep Finley out there and pray to the heavens he gets going. That said, after this year I have no problem using a high pick on TE, but I wouldn't dump him right away. Ill let him play out this contract and see if he raises his play with the increase in competition or if he fades out of a job.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 05, 2012 5:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ugLymayNe wrote:
Some fans in the Zona forum are complaining about the refs... Laughing


Yep! The refs handed the Packers a win and are making up for the "seachickens" game!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Rolling Eyes


Anyways - What does everyone think about Brad Jones at ILB this year?


It's almost like karma for them "winning" that playoff game. Refs call the facemask on the Rodgers sack, that drive keeps going.

But the Packers were the up and comers at that point and are now one of the top teams in the league, while the Cardinals were living in a bubble that would very shortly pop and are now irrelevant.
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Ketchup wrote:
MNPackfan32 wrote:
Actually I just defend the things he says. People have been irrational wanting him benched because his agent tweeted something. I am just simply looking for a player upgrade at the position. Nobody should start over Finley, but as I look at it, this offseason that is a position we could draft high even if we keep Finley.
I can't speak for anyone else but the reason i wanted him benched had nothing to do with his agent. IT had everything to do with his poor play. He's lost a couple steps after his injury. His concentration is terrible. And his mouth continues to run. He's not worth his salary and needs to be replaced this off season if his play doesn't dramatically improve over the last half of the season.


See, I'm not sure I think it's any of this. Finley was never particularly fast, and his injury was not one that should have robbed him of much. The infection was a nasty turn of events, but even still, a partially torn meniscus is not a torn ACL. I think Finley's speed and quickness are comparable to where they were before the injury.

I also don't think it's concentration; in fact, I think it's too much concentration that's the issue. Finley is worried too much about regaining his form. For all the talk about running his mouth, much of what Finley has said over the past few months, and especially lately boils down to he thinks he should be an elite TE, and he's not. He's admitted many times that he hasn't been producing at the level he is capable of. This latest story about MM bringing him in to show him tape of his 2009 playoff game and how he took that is a great example. People like to hate on Finley because, frankly, he makes it easy, but honestly I think his attitude isn't necessarily his biggest problem. At least, not the way people think.

Finley is the streakiest of streaky players. He's the kind of guy who builds confidence throughout a game and season, and if he struggles early on, he isn't very good at bouncing back from it. However, he's also a guy coming back from an injury, and it's affected his mentality. He's playing to avoid collision, and that never works in football. This is not a conscious thing in my opinion, it's operating at a level deeper than that, and anyone who has hurt themselves in a sport know what it's like. It's not about knowing that your body will hold up, it's about believing it. It's about shutting your brain down and playing with abandon, as though you had not been injured, and trusting your joints/muscles/bones to hold up like they used to.

Look at Adrian Peterson, and how quickly he returned. Yes, some of that is natural talent and a body that heals quickly, but just as much is attitude. AP is the kind of guy who will never doubt for an instant his ability to play football. He's pure aggression in human form.

That is not Finley, and it never has been. At his best in 2009 he lacked physicality and was a terrible blocker, these are not new traits; however, they are amplified by his desire to protect himself. The team doctor telling him to run out of bounds to avoid contact, his reluctance to go up and attack the ball, instead letting it come to him so he can avoid taking a hit, looking upfield for incoming defenders instead of focusing on the catch: these are all signs of a guy who is unable to just play. I imagine the ridiculous number of injuries the Packers have been hit with over the past few years aren't helping, as it's a constant reminder of what could happen to him at any time.

The old Finley isn't coming back until he's able to get past his fear of reinjury. Finley's defining characteristic previously had been his ability to box out defenders and provide a huge target for Rodgers. Watch his highlights from 2009; multiple red-zone fades where he just outjumped and out fought the corner for the ball. Heck, in that playoff game against the Cardinals he had one of the more impressive catches I've seen from him, just reaching over Bryant McFadden while being blatantly interfered with and plucking the ball out of the air. Those kind of plays take faith that you will be fine, because you're exposing your body to big shots and awkward landings. Whether or not he gets back there is up to him, there's no way to tell. It's certainly not too late, these things take time, but at some point TT and MM will have to decide if it's worth waiting for.


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 05, 2012 5:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

WIsportsfan wrote:
It's almost like karma for them "winning" that playoff game. Refs call the facemask on the Rodgers sack, that drive keeps going.


Except there really weren't any calls to that magnitude. That was a clear miscall - the ones the Packers "took advantage" were either correct or could go either way.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 05, 2012 5:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ugLymayNe wrote:
Some fans in the Zona forum are complaining about the refs... Laughing


Yep! The refs handed the Packers a win and are making up for the "seachickens" game!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Rolling Eyes


Anyways - What does everyone think about Brad Jones at ILB this year?


I've felt more comfortable and at ease with him in there than Des or DJ. He has the ability to cover which is nice. Played Fitz well (see pass break up on the sidelines- Smith or Bish couldn't of made that play). I've always been a fan of his since he played well when Kampy went down. Kid is a pretty decent rusher too.

Edit: I think having a leaner/taller guy who can jump will make it harder for opposing QB's to drop it in between the backers and our secondary as well. He seems to be just missing some ints/pass breakups.

In short, I like him.
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Some ominous news coming from McCarthy today. Matthews "couple weeks," Bulaga likely to a specialist, Perry getting a second opinion.


Ugh.
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TheGreatZepp wrote:
Finley is still just 25 but man is his effort maddening.

Think Tom Crabtree could end up being the starter next year? He can flex between TE and FB and with Jordy, James, Randall and maybe Greg the pass threat is still there as well as the flexibility.


Tom Crabtree is a below average player. He's in there to block, which is the reason he's been wide open for two TD's, but he probably has the worst hands of anyone on the team, no chance I would ever start him.

All together this was a solid game for us, we just need to get healthy. My goodness was our second half offense awful, that's why we aren't a running team, Rodgers was out of rhythm and while we are capable of gaining 5-6 yards on a running play we are just as capable of losing 2 which is basically a sack. The lack of killer instinct on this team is still frustrating.
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Ugh.


Just keeps getting worse and worse.
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Some ominous news coming from McCarthy today. Matthews "couple weeks," Bulaga likely to a specialist, Perry getting a second opinion.


Ugh.


CMIII out two weeks starting now or two after bye? We need him vs. Eli & Co.
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Some ominous news coming from McCarthy today. Matthews "couple weeks," Bulaga likely to a specialist, Perry getting a second opinion.


Ugh.
Wow. Just wow.
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Ugh.
Wow. Just wow.



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