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candyman93


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 03, 2012 7:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

LSUs d-line versus Bamas o-line

That is all
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 03, 2012 8:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sam Montgomery is so much better than Mingo that it's not even close
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2012 12:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

candyman93 wrote:
Sam Montgomery is so much better than Mingo that it's not even close


Oh, I knew that before the season started. Im more impressed by his play against the run along with his ability to pass rush. Overall good DE.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2012 12:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

How did Dee Milliner look tonight against LSU?
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 05, 2012 8:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

KamTrus20 wrote:
How did Dee Milliner look tonight against LSU?


Sorry Kam didn't see this!

I felt like whe Bama wasn't getting pressure Miliner would get picked apart.

Sam Montgomery is entering my good graces again. He is fundamentally sound and uses technique and skill. He's the complete opposite of Mingo. I'd have no problems drafting him. You know what you will get from him.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 05, 2012 9:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

candyman93 wrote:
KamTrus20 wrote:
How did Dee Milliner look tonight against LSU?


Sorry Kam didn't see this!

I felt like whe Bama wasn't getting pressure Miliner would get picked apart.

Sam Montgomery is entering my good graces again. He is fundamentally sound and uses technique and skill. He's the complete opposite of Mingo. I'd have no problems drafting him. You know what you will get from him.


Montgomery is consistent against the run. Thats his best asset. Plays with great leverage.

Only ever bull rushes the QB on pressure downs though. And he's ALWAYS the last one off the snap.

Sometimes I wonder if the way he rushes the passer is a reflection on how he is coached at LSU. As in, contain the pocket, but collapse the pocket at the same time. As to not allow a Qb to run from blown containment.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 05, 2012 9:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bulldog wrote:
candyman93 wrote:
KamTrus20 wrote:
How did Dee Milliner look tonight against LSU?


Sorry Kam didn't see this!

I felt like whe Bama wasn't getting pressure Miliner would get picked apart.

Sam Montgomery is entering my good graces again. He is fundamentally sound and uses technique and skill. He's the complete opposite of Mingo. I'd have no problems drafting him. You know what you will get from him.


Montgomery is consistent against the run. Thats his best asset. Plays with great leverage.

Only ever bull rushes the QB on pressure downs though. And he's ALWAYS the last one off the snap.

Sometimes I wonder if the way he rushes the passer is a reflection on how he is coached at LSU. As in, contain the pocket, but collapse the pocket at the same time. As to not allow a Qb to run from blown containment.


I feel like Sam uses his hands very well and gets good leverage. At the absolute worst he will be a great run DE. His first step is concerning, but I love his attitude and effort.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 06, 2012 12:33 am    Post subject: Re: Week 9 College Prospects Reply with quote

candyman93 wrote:
I have come to the conclusion it will be impossible to trade down. The top 5 is VERY weak. I don't see a lot of guys worth trading up for.

Anyways:

Alabama vs. LSU at 8 on CBS

Oregon vs USC at 7 on FOX


It seems then we just need to go with the BPA in this draft and make do with the lack of a 2nd.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 06, 2012 6:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

candyman93 wrote:
bulldog wrote:
candyman93 wrote:
KamTrus20 wrote:
How did Dee Milliner look tonight against LSU?


Sorry Kam didn't see this!

I felt like whe Bama wasn't getting pressure Miliner would get picked apart.

Sam Montgomery is entering my good graces again. He is fundamentally sound and uses technique and skill. He's the complete opposite of Mingo. I'd have no problems drafting him. You know what you will get from him.


Montgomery is consistent against the run. Thats his best asset. Plays with great leverage.

Only ever bull rushes the QB on pressure downs though. And he's ALWAYS the last one off the snap.

Sometimes I wonder if the way he rushes the passer is a reflection on how he is coached at LSU. As in, contain the pocket, but collapse the pocket at the same time. As to not allow a Qb to run from blown containment.


I feel like Sam uses his hands very well and gets good leverage. At the absolute worst he will be a great run DE. His first step is concerning, but I love his attitude and effort.


I think his first step is great. Its his snap recognition thats turible. Times the snap soo poorly.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 06, 2012 12:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If we went to a 3-4, here is a mock I've done:


1. Damontre Moore, OLB, Texas A&M

3. Marcus Trufant, CB, Washington

4. Chris Jones, DE, Bowling Green State

5. Michael Williams, TE, Alabama

6. Brad Madison, OLB, Missouri

7. Duron Harmon, S, Rutgers

7. Brandon Sharp, P, Oklahoma State

LDE Frostee Rucker, Chris Jones
NT Ahytba Rubin, John Hughes
RDE Phil Taylor, Billy Winn

OLB Damontre Moore, Chris Gocong
MLB D'Qwell Jackson, Craig Robertson
MLB James-Michael Johnson, LJ Fort
OLB Jabaal Sheard, Brad Madison

CB Joe Haden, Desmond Trufant, Buster Skrine, Dimitri Patterson, Trevin Wade,

S T. J. Ward, Eric Hagg, Jairus Byrd, Duron Harmon
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 06, 2012 12:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

candyman93 wrote:
If we went to a 3-4, here is a mock I've done:

OLB Damontre Moore, Chris Gocong
MLB D'Qwell Jackson, Craig Robertson
MLB James-Michael Johnson, LJ Fort
OLB Jabaal Sheard, Brad Madison



It's not the DL that scares me as much as the line backing corp. There is more potential for bust than boom in this scenario.

Gocong gets moved to backup, even though he is being paid as a starter and in position to take over Sam from Fujita, and he struggled to switch schemes and positions since entering the nfl. DQ was rather bad in the 3-4 as in ilb. JMJ has been interesting but is not starting caliber at this point, plus moving him to ILB in the scheme change could set him back even further. No one knows if Sheard could move from to DE to OLB successfully and I for one do OT want to see him paying out in space....

Could it work? I suppose.... I just don't see the odds being very good.
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Drew_Carey wrote:

Gocong gets moved to backup, even though he is being paid as a starter and in position to take over Sam from Fujita,


Then cut him and find a replacement or move him to ILB.

Drew_Carey wrote:
DQ was rather bad in the 3-4 as in ilb.


If you're afraid to switch schemes because of a player like DQ. You have some SERIOUS deeper issues on your defense.


Drew_Carey wrote:
has been interesting but is not starting caliber at this point, plus moving him to ILB in the scheme change could set him back even further.


Wait, so he's not starting caliber now, yet you're afraid he could be worse? Laughing

Drew_Carey wrote:
No one knows if Sheard could move from to DE to OLB successfully and I for one do OT want to see him paying out in space....


Did you just completely zone out watching him versus Baltimore?
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 06, 2012 2:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

candyman93 wrote:
Drew_Carey wrote:

Gocong gets moved to backup, even though he is being paid as a starter and in position to take over Sam from Fujita,


Then cut him and find a replacement or move him to ILB.

Drew_Carey wrote:
DQ was rather bad in the 3-4 as in ilb.


If you're afraid to switch schemes because of a player like DQ. You have some SERIOUS deeper issues on your defense.


Drew_Carey wrote:
has been interesting but is not starting caliber at this point, plus moving him to ILB in the scheme change could set him back even further.


Wait, so he's not starting caliber now, yet you're afraid he could be worse? Laughing

Drew_Carey wrote:
No one knows if Sheard could move from to DE to OLB successfully and I for one do OT want to see him paying out in space....


Did you just completely zone out watching him versus Baltimore?


Why would the browns cut Gocong unless he can't come back healthy? Switching schemes and cutting Gocong just creates more holes...

DQ is the best LB the team has so yes I am worried that switching schemes would regress his production. Again, why downgrade or create more holes?

You have JMJ starting in YOUR setup. I am pointing out that is a bad thing - n a 4-3 and possibly worse in a 3-4.

Sheard in space attacking the QB as a DE? Yes... . Out in pass coverage as he would have to do as a 3-4 olb No way.

The browns are currently short one lb to run a 4-3, but switch the defense to a 3-4 and there are even more holes. Makes no sense....
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 06, 2012 2:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gocong is an average player that is coming off season ending injury. He needs to be evaluated. I didn't feel like creating a whole list of free agency. I mean just look at the # of LBs we would obviously need more than I listed.

The fact that DQ is the best LB on this team speaks volumes of how bad they are as a collective unit. He reminds me of Andra Davis.

JMJ could be a stud in a 3-4 for all we know.

Sheard has not been burnt in pass coverage.

We are a LOT more than 1 OLB away.
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