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What are everyones thoughts of Keenan Allen? I've only seen him a few times, but he's got size, speed, and ability after the catch.
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| EaglesFan5-36-81 wrote: | | What are everyones thoughts of Keenan Allen? I've only seen him a few times, but he's got size, speed, and ability after the catch. |
I like him. I see him as a low end number one and not an elite guy though. Does everything pretty well, but nothing spectacular. Good size, can go over the middle, can move around an offense. While he's a big guy he's not really the jump ball specialist that people want. I think he's more of a possession guy at the next level. If DJax and Mac are back next year, I think he would be a good compliment.
My thoughts on the wideouts-
Justin Hunter- if you want to try and hit a HR he's the guy. Could be a different player a year removed from an ACL injury.
Allen- Low ceiling-high floor guy
Woods- dynamic slot
Austin- A gadget guy. Slot-RB-reverses-screens-returns
Terrance Williams- A big body capable of making big plays.
Dobson- Could be that goaline threat. Don't think he's a number 1 though.
Marquess Wilson- If you are convinced his actions this season are over with, he could be the steal of the draft. Big guy, can stretch the field, and makes big plays.
Wheaton- Really like this guy. Very fast, could play the slot, but do we need another undersized speedster?
Da'Rick Rogers- If you can get over the character issues, he can be a big bodied #2.
Overall, there isn't an elite guy, but for a team that desperately needs a big body presence, this is a deep group. |
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Wheaton isn't exactly undersized: 6ft 190 lbs is about average.
It all depends on if he plays above his size or below it.
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EaglesFan5-36-81
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| Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2012 4:48 pm Post subject: |
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| gator3guy wrote: | | EaglesFan5-36-81 wrote: | | What are everyones thoughts of Keenan Allen? I've only seen him a few times, but he's got size, speed, and ability after the catch. |
I like him. I see him as a low end number one and not an elite guy though. Does everything pretty well, but nothing spectacular. Good size, can go over the middle, can move around an offense. While he's a big guy he's not really the jump ball specialist that people want. I think he's more of a possession guy at the next level. If DJax and Mac are back next year, I think he would be a good compliment.
My thoughts on the wideouts-
Justin Hunter- if you want to try and hit a HR he's the guy. Could be a different player a year removed from an ACL injury.
Allen- Low ceiling-high floor guy
Woods- dynamic slot
Austin- A gadget guy. Slot-RB-reverses-screens-returns
Terrance Williams- A big body capable of making big plays.
Dobson- Could be that goaline threat. Don't think he's a number 1 though.
Marquess Wilson- If you are convinced his actions this season are over with, he could be the steal of the draft. Big guy, can stretch the field, and makes big plays.
Wheaton- Really like this guy. Very fast, could play the slot, but do we need another undersized speedster?
Da'Rick Rogers- If you can get over the character issues, he can be a big bodied #2.
Overall, there isn't an elite guy, but for a team that desperately needs a big body presence, this is a deep group. |
With Allen, you can make the argument he's got Andre Johnson type skills. Andre isn't that go up and get it jump ball threat, but he's a terror after the catch, can go up and get if its neccesary, moves around the offense and goes over the middle. He's somewhere between Andre Johnson and Anquan Boldin at his best IMO.
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If we go QB in this draft, then Nassib or Fales are the way to go.
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| Quote: | | Da'Rick Rogers- If you can get over the character issues, he can be a big bodied #2. |
He's the best WR in this class, a bonafide number one type guy. The only reason he's not being talked about as so is because he had his priorites wrong.
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| Remixxxxxxx wrote: | | Quote: | | Da'Rick Rogers- If you can get over the character issues, he can be a big bodied #2. |
He's the best WR in this class, a bonafide number one type guy. The only reason he's not being talked about as so is because he had his priorites wrong. |
This, Rogers is similar physically, athletically, and skillwise to Julio Jones, he just has off field issues.
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| marky_b27 wrote: | Wheaton isn't exactly undersized: 6ft 190 lbs is about average.
It all depends on if he plays above his size or below it. |
He's about 5'11 and change. He's not Tavon Austin small, but in this class he's considered undersized. Again I really like his game, but he would be redundant with Maclin and Jackson.
| EaglesFan5-36-81 wrote: | | With Allen, you can make the argument he's got Andre Johnson type skills. Andre isn't that go up and get it jump ball threat, but he's a terror after the catch, can go up and get if its neccesary, moves around the offense and goes over the middle. He's somewhere between Andre Johnson and Anquan Boldin at his best IMO. |
I struggled with a comp for Allen. Andre was a freak coming out. 6'2 230 4.4 flat 41 vert. Don't think Allen is close to those numbers. Andre's much more physical. Allen has a little more finesse to his game. Same with Boldin. He's a physical guy with and without the ball in his hands. I don't see that with Allen. Maybe eventually he develops that, but right now I don't see it. NFL.com last year compared him to Braylon Edwards (I'm guessing 2005 Braylon) FWIW.
BTW if the whole receiver thing doesn't workout, he was a 5-star safety coming out of high school.  |
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| EaglesFan5-36-81 wrote: | | Remixxxxxxx wrote: | | Quote: | | Da'Rick Rogers- If you can get over the character issues, he can be a big bodied #2. |
He's the best WR in this class, a bonafide number one type guy. The only reason he's not being talked about as so is because he had his priorites wrong. |
This, Rogers is similar physically, athletically, and skillwise to Julio Jones, he just has off field issues. |
Just think, Tennessee could have had 3 bonafide first round receivers if Rogers had been kicked off the team.
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| Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2012 5:07 pm Post subject: |
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| Remixxxxxxx wrote: | | Quote: | | Da'Rick Rogers- If you can get over the character issues, he can be a big bodied #2. |
He's the best WR in this class, a bonafide number one type guy. The only reason he's not being talked about as so is because he had his priorites wrong. |
Yeah, Rogers is an animal on the field. He's one of the most physical wideouts I've ever seen.
That picture just about sums up Da'Rick Rogers, he gets sandwiched between two defenders but he still makes the catch and pops up despite losing his helmet while the defenders who actually made the hit are still lying on the ground.
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| EaglesFan5-36-81 wrote: | | Remixxxxxxx wrote: | | Quote: | | Da'Rick Rogers- If you can get over the character issues, he can be a big bodied #2. |
He's the best WR in this class, a bonafide number one type guy. The only reason he's not being talked about as so is because he had his priorites wrong. |
This, Rogers is similar physically, athletically, and skillwise to Julio Jones, he just has off field issues. |
The only difference[minus the off the field problems] between Da'Rick and Julio is the elite athleticism that Julio had. I'd say that Da'Rick is an above average athlete, but he and Julio are very similar.
...now if he wasn't such a moron we'd be talking about him for out first round, top five picks. That's how good this kid is. He's way better then a "big-bodied number 2".
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Talking about Tennessee receivers, I really like Cordarrelle Patterson
A threat receiving, running and returning, he reminds me a little of a taller Percy Harvin.
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| EaglesFan5-36-81 wrote: | | Remixxxxxxx wrote: | | Quote: | | Da'Rick Rogers- If you can get over the character issues, he can be a big bodied #2. |
He's the best WR in this class, a bonafide number one type guy. The only reason he's not being talked about as so is because he had his priorites wrong. |
This, Rogers is similar physically, athletically, and skillwise to Julio Jones, he just has off field issues. |
I know that's who everyone compared him to coming out of high school but he's not as explosive as Julio. He's a possession guy at the next level who could be an asset at the goaline and over the middle.
Still seems like this guy rides on his HS hype. Justin Hunter came in the less heralded receiver and had outworked and outplayed Da'Rick up until his ACL injury. |
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| marky_b27 wrote: | Talking about Tennessee receivers, I really like Cordarrelle Patterson
A threat receiving, running and returning, he reminds me a little of a taller Percy Harvin. |
He's so talented but he's such a risk too. He drops too many passes and I worry about how bad he actually wants to succeed. He's got the talent to be a stud but he could just be Roy Williams part II.
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