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How do You feel about Finley
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justo


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 31, 2012 4:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

palmy50 wrote:
justo wrote:
Terranimal wrote:
Larry McCarren said we aren't getting much effort from our TEs in the blocking game.
Finley run blocked one time last game and it was a TFL on the dude he was supposed to put a hat on.


How bad did Finley look on that rep though.... Crying or Very sad

Just saying. I always break down the Packers games and can't tell you how many times I have seen that play go down. I mean, at the very least he can give a shot at point. Just sad. No pride there, at all!

So sad. Honestly looked like he tried to push him, totally missed, and then he bought a ticket. He's a receiver at this point, right?
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 31, 2012 4:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

palmy50 wrote:
justo wrote:
Terranimal wrote:
Larry McCarren said we aren't getting much effort from our TEs in the blocking game.
Finley run blocked one time last game and it was a TFL on the dude he was supposed to put a hat on.


How bad did Finley look on that rep though.... Crying or Very sad

Just saying. I always break down the Packers games and can't tell you how many times I have seen that play go down. I mean at the very least he can give a shot at point. Just sad, no pride there!


That is just as clear an example I can find of why I'm totally done with Finley. I can forgive the drops. I can forget mistakes. The mouth is annoying, but not really a big deal. What I personally have zero tolerance for is lack of effort. Greatness happens all of the time, not just when you feel like it. This isn't just a football thing, this is LIFE, and Finley just doesn't seem to get it. No matter what it is, you can't just try at the parts you like, or find reward you the most and not do the other parts of the job. When I'm cooking I can't try harder on the dishes I like and slop together the ones I don't like. The same applies here. The first I noticed this and got an "uh-oh" in my head was after Finley was injured. It happened when he tried to make a tackle on a turnover, an INT I believe. After the fact, I hear his comments to the effect of "That's the last time I try to do that". It was said kinda off hand, but it didn't really come off as a joke. It just really seems to me that Finley doesn't get it. He thinks he is such a great pass catcher that everything else doesn't really matter. It's sad on multiple levels because 1) It doesn't REALLY work that way, The rest matters, people are just more tolerant. 2) His number of drops would indicate he ISN'T exempt from hustle.

The difference in effort is why Jerry Rice is the GOAT WR. It's a big key to why Woodson has had the career he has. It's why the best are the best. It's why it was time to transition from Favre to Rodgers.

He really just doesn't care. He says he does, but his actions on the field give the lie to that. I don't care what coaches or teammates say. The smart ones like MM and Rodgers are NEVER going to run their mouth and knock a teammate. There is no way you can convince me Finley works hard at his craft.
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palmy50


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 31, 2012 4:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Trust me when I tell ya I get it. Finley can make for a very tough watch!

Fact is, many old school scouts/GM's will tell you that you should NEVER let the special ones get away. At the end of the day, there are still some very special parts in Finley's game.

If everything keeps going the way they are going, that's a very tough call IMO. High hopes for him turning the corner and being a pro moving ahead. Just not sure Finley "the man" is half as special as the talent at this point. Still young though. Just needs to learn how to be a pro!
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 31, 2012 5:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I predict a resurgent game for Finley against the Cardinals. You heard it here first.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 31, 2012 8:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Finley was a more willing blocker right up until he thought he could be a wide receiver instead. Just like any bratty child, Finley needs to be reminded of his role as a tight end and the requirements that entails.

Sadly, I think it may be too late. Its a character flaw. The good ones rise to the occasion, rise to the contract, hell just rise to the occasion out of pure pride. Finley is not that guy. I don't think it can be taught. These are the ones that hang around on God given talent until one day they just disappear. He wont be the first or the last. Part of the character that TT puts such a high priority on. The thing that angers me most about the situation is that this isn't the Jets, its the Packers. He is surrounded by a locker room of guys that do it right, guys that have bought in to doing things the right way. To buck the system under those circumstances is shameful. While some may want to shrug off Finleys numerous comments over the years, I now believe that Finley actually means a lot of the negative things he says.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 31, 2012 9:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Rodgers has spoken up for Finley. He recently said Finley is getting game planned against and that stats are misleading right now.

Whatfreaking ever. Nobody game plans against Graham, Gronk, Gonzalez? Finley is average at best, nothing more.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 31, 2012 10:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Packerfaninmn wrote:
ChaRisMa wrote:
Rodgers has spoken up for Finley. He recently said Finley is getting game planned against and that stats are misleading right now.

Whatfreaking ever. Nobody game plans against Graham, Gronk, Gonzalez? Finley is average at best, nothing more.


Took the words out of my mouth.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 31, 2012 10:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

But right now he's the best TE we have so until someone else steps up or we find someone else we are stuck with him the rest of the season. Bitching about him every other day isn't gonna change anything. Confused
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 31, 2012 10:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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But right now he's the best TE we have so until someone else steps up or we find someone else we are stuck with him the rest of the season. Bitching about him every other day isn't gonna change anything. Confused

Tell that to the coaches. I'd LOVE to see Williams/Crabtree/Taylor take some reps away from Finley.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 31, 2012 10:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Frank-O wrote:
Pugger wrote:
But right now he's the best TE we have so until someone else steps up or we find someone else we are stuck with him the rest of the season. Bitching about him every other day isn't gonna change anything. Confused

Tell that to the coaches. I'd LOVE to see Williams/Crabtree/Taylor take some reps away from Finley.

FWIW

TE by snaps vs. Jags....
Crabtree 37
Finley 36
Williams 25
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 31, 2012 10:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Isn't this like the 3rd time he's spoken out publicaly this year. I wish he'd be smart enought to be quiet until he starts producing which from what I've seen he isn't doing much the last couple years.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 31, 2012 11:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

wgbeethree wrote:
Frank-O wrote:
Pugger wrote:
But right now he's the best TE we have so until someone else steps up or we find someone else we are stuck with him the rest of the season. Bitching about him every other day isn't gonna change anything. Confused

Tell that to the coaches. I'd LOVE to see Williams/Crabtree/Taylor take some reps away from Finley.

FWIW

TE by snaps vs. Jags....
Crabtree 37
Finley 36
Williams 25


And it should keep moving in that direction. Crabtree is easily the best blocking TE and one of the high effort guys on the team. Williams is still very rough around the edges but hasn't really seen the field much. There is every reason to believe those two can improve in time. I'm hoping whenever Quarless is good to go, it keeps getting better.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 31, 2012 11:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

spilltray wrote:
wgbeethree wrote:
Frank-O wrote:
Pugger wrote:
But right now he's the best TE we have so until someone else steps up or we find someone else we are stuck with him the rest of the season. Bitching about him every other day isn't gonna change anything. Confused

Tell that to the coaches. I'd LOVE to see Williams/Crabtree/Taylor take some reps away from Finley.

FWIW

TE by snaps vs. Jags....
Crabtree 37
Finley 36
Williams 25


And it should keep moving in that direction. Crabtree is easily the best blocking TE and one of the high effort guys on the team. Williams is still very rough around the edges but hasn't really seen the field much. There is every reason to believe those two can improve in time. I'm hoping whenever Quarless is good to go, it keeps getting better.


Once Kuhn is back Crabtree's snaps will go down. I don't think we will see the change that everyone is looking for until Q gets back in football shape.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 31, 2012 11:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

wgbeethree wrote:
Frank-O wrote:
Pugger wrote:
But right now he's the best TE we have so until someone else steps up or we find someone else we are stuck with him the rest of the season. Bitching about him every other day isn't gonna change anything. Confused

Tell that to the coaches. I'd LOVE to see Williams/Crabtree/Taylor take some reps away from Finley.

FWIW

TE by snaps vs. Jags....
Crabtree 37
Finley 36
Williams 25

Interesting.. I'm not saying Finley isn't the best TE on our team because he is. I'd have to watch the game over to really analyze this but it seems Crabtree is in when we run the ball. How often was Williams split out wide?
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 31, 2012 1:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

palmy50 wrote:
Trust me when I tell ya I get it. Finley can make for a very tough watch!

Fact is, many old school scouts/GM's will tell you that you should NEVER let the special ones get away. At the end of the day, there are still some very special parts in Finley's game.

If everything keeps going the way they are going, that's a very tough call IMO. High hopes for him turning the corner and being a pro moving ahead. Just not sure Finley "the man" is half as special as the talent at this point. Still young though. Just needs to learn how to be a pro!


But this isn't old school NFL anymore either... Sad

It's cap era. Players have to get it sooner and that light has to come on sooner in their head. The days of hiding a guy on a roster for years is over as they wait for him to get it. We used to wait 'til 5 years to grade a draft pick and now days that has moved up to 3 for the most part. The lifespan average is 3 to 5 years for NFL players.

The cap also doesn't let you hold onto players and wait for them to get it. Unfortunately, regardless of Finley's talents, he hasn't brought that to materialization on the field. One of his biggest knocks coming out was immaturity and it seems he stills suffers from it.

The risk of letting Finley is he becomes a star and gets it someplace else. The risk of keeping him is having to let go some other quality player(s) because of his cap number. If it was anywhere but GB would call him the classic coach killer label......talent unrealized and unfulfilled, in other words underachiever.

sorry palmy, just used your post for this reply, wasn't directed directly at you, as know you already know all of this stuff....

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