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PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2012 11:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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This is the point in time when I would like old Snyder back. Haslett would've been canned three weeks ago.
like 2000 Snyder that fired Norv and Charlie?
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2012 11:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey guys great game today! I was at the stadium and just wanted to say you guys are some classy fellas! Had a great time today really appreciate the friendly atmosphere there, hopefully we play again next year so I can go back!
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 05, 2012 12:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

turtle28 wrote:
Brian23 wrote:
turtle28 wrote:
Brian23 wrote:
turtle28 wrote:
Brian23 wrote:
Yes, running to our runner who's top 3 in the NFL is a bad idea. I'm sure the Vikings, Texans, and Niners all rage when they run inside the 20's with there RB.

The play to Banks is dumb, but that's only because I think he's a useless player. But the idea of using his speed and elusiveness in space isn't a bad play call. Than the only problem with the QB run was execution.
well at the same time, if the play to banks had worked everyone would be saying that was a great call also. So, same difference


My distaste for Banks is not based on one play, but you're right had it worked it wouldn't have looked bad. Regardless, he's shown plenty of times now that he's a liability.

Kyle has some head scratching play calls from time to time but execution is killing our offense as much as anything. Our defense is both coach and execution.
i think your statement just proved both the offense and defensive problems are some coaching but mostly a failure of execution by our players. Our best players are injured or very young. It should surprise no one we are struggling with consistency.


One or two "huh?" plays on offense is something every coordinator does. Kyles been damn good at orchestrating this offense this year, unlike his defensive counterpart.

Execution is either something you throw on Mike or something you throw on youth and inexperience.
hasslett doesn't have his best defensive player on the field. Kyle has his best offensive player at his disposal. When Kyle didn't have this much talent on offense they struggled last year. Now Hasslets talent is really poor on the back end or injured.

Seems like a double standard to me.


Davis = Orakpo
Garcon = Carricker.
Helu > Merriweather.

Are we really gonna say Kyle has all his weapons? Are you joking?
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 05, 2012 12:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Brian23 wrote:
turtle28 wrote:
Brian23 wrote:

One or two "huh?" plays on offense is something every coordinator does. Kyles been damn good at orchestrating this offense this year, unlike his defensive counterpart.

Execution is either something you throw on Mike or something you throw on youth and inexperience.
hasslett doesn't have his best defensive player on the field. Kyle has his best offensive player at his disposal. When Kyle didn't have this much talent on offense they struggled last year. Now Hasslets talent is really poor on the back end or injured.

Seems like a double standard to me.


Davis = Orakpo
Garcon = Carricker.
Helu > Merriweather.

Are we really gonna say Kyle has all his weapons? Are you joking?
i said Hasslett doesn't have have his best defender Orakpo!

Kyle has his best offensive player- Rg3.

That's what I'm saying.

I didn't say the offense didn't have injuries also.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 05, 2012 1:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

turtle28 wrote:
Brian23 wrote:
turtle28 wrote:
Brian23 wrote:

One or two "huh?" plays on offense is something every coordinator does. Kyles been damn good at orchestrating this offense this year, unlike his defensive counterpart.

Execution is either something you throw on Mike or something you throw on youth and inexperience.
hasslett doesn't have his best defensive player on the field. Kyle has his best offensive player at his disposal. When Kyle didn't have this much talent on offense they struggled last year. Now Hasslets talent is really poor on the back end or injured.

Seems like a double standard to me.


Davis = Orakpo
Garcon = Carricker.
Helu > Merriweather.

Are we really gonna say Kyle has all his weapons? Are you joking?
i said Hasslett doesn't have have his best defender Orakpo!

Kyle has his best offensive player- Rg3.

That's what I'm saying.

I didn't say the offense didn't have injuries also.


My mistake, I thought you said players.

Regardless, a single player does not destroy a team. At least, not one that isn't the QB. This team should still NOT be struggling this badly on defense. Too much money invested in areas for there to not be some kind of stand up.

The defense quit today, it was vividly apparent.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 05, 2012 1:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Brian23 wrote:
turtle28 wrote:
Brian23 wrote:
turtle28 wrote:
Brian23 wrote:

One or two "huh?" plays on offense is something every coordinator does. Kyles been damn good at orchestrating this offense this year, unlike his defensive counterpart.

Execution is either something you throw on Mike or something you throw on youth and inexperience.
hasslett doesn't have his best defensive player on the field. Kyle has his best offensive player at his disposal. When Kyle didn't have this much talent on offense they struggled last year. Now Hasslets talent is really poor on the back end or injured.

Seems like a double standard to me.


Davis = Orakpo
Garcon = Carricker.
Helu > Merriweather.

Are we really gonna say Kyle has all his weapons? Are you joking?
i said Hasslett doesn't have have his best defender Orakpo!

Kyle has his best offensive player- Rg3.

That's what I'm saying.

I didn't say the offense didn't have injuries also.


My mistake, I thought you said players.

Regardless, a single player does not destroy a team. At least, not one that isn't the QB. This team should still NOT be struggling this badly on defense. Too much money invested in areas for there to not be some kind of stand up.

The defense quit today, it was vividly apparent.
I think the defense quit a few weeks ago and now the rest of the team has started to follow.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 05, 2012 1:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Brian23 wrote:
turtle28 wrote:
Brian23 wrote:
turtle28 wrote:
Brian23 wrote:

One or two "huh?" plays on offense is something every coordinator does. Kyles been damn good at orchestrating this offense this year, unlike his defensive counterpart.

Execution is either something you throw on Mike or something you throw on youth and inexperience.
hasslett doesn't have his best defensive player on the field. Kyle has his best offensive player at his disposal. When Kyle didn't have this much talent on offense they struggled last year. Now Hasslets talent is really poor on the back end or injured.

Seems like a double standard to me.


Davis = Orakpo
Garcon = Carricker.
Helu > Merriweather.

Are we really gonna say Kyle has all his weapons? Are you joking?
i said Hasslett doesn't have have his best defender Orakpo!

Kyle has his best offensive player- Rg3.

That's what I'm saying.

I didn't say the offense didn't have injuries also.


My mistake, I thought you said players.

Regardless, a single player does not destroy a team. At least, not one that isn't the QB. This team should still NOT be struggling this badly on defense. Too much money invested in areas for there to not be some kind of stand up.

The defense quit today, it was vividly apparent.
no biggie. I was just saying.

I know no one player makes or breaks a team, but it's pretty clear our D hasn't looked the same since Carriker and Orakpo went out.

Just like our offense hasn't been the same since Garçon went out. It was just a quick flash, but it was clear with Griffin to Garçon we had something special. You can't just replace explosive game breakers like that easily and you can't replace double digit sack guys easily on D.

Ok. Lets go through our starters and you tell me where I'm wrong and how this D is Sooo talented:

Bowen- average to good
Cofield- average to good. IMO playing out of postion. He's better at DE
Jenkins- average to good. Recovering still from missing last year
Jackson- average OLB at best
Fletcher- hamper by injuries
Riley- good Ilb, still developing
Kerrigan- good OLB, still developing and really missing Orakpo
DHall- horrible
C Griffin- horrible
Wilson- average. Starts but really like a #3
Doughty- back up material. Good run defender, horrible vs pass
M Williams- back up material
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 05, 2012 1:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

turtle28 wrote:
Brian23 wrote:
turtle28 wrote:
Brian23 wrote:
turtle28 wrote:
Brian23 wrote:

One or two "huh?" plays on offense is something every coordinator does. Kyles been damn good at orchestrating this offense this year, unlike his defensive counterpart.

Execution is either something you throw on Mike or something you throw on youth and inexperience.
hasslett doesn't have his best defensive player on the field. Kyle has his best offensive player at his disposal. When Kyle didn't have this much talent on offense they struggled last year. Now Hasslets talent is really poor on the back end or injured.

Seems like a double standard to me.


Davis = Orakpo
Garcon = Carricker.
Helu > Merriweather.

Are we really gonna say Kyle has all his weapons? Are you joking?
i said Hasslett doesn't have have his best defender Orakpo!

Kyle has his best offensive player- Rg3.

That's what I'm saying.

I didn't say the offense didn't have injuries also.


My mistake, I thought you said players.

Regardless, a single player does not destroy a team. At least, not one that isn't the QB. This team should still NOT be struggling this badly on defense. Too much money invested in areas for there to not be some kind of stand up.

The defense quit today, it was vividly apparent.
no biggie. I was just saying.

I know no one player makes or breaks a team, but it's pretty clear our D hasn't looked the same since Carriker and Orakpo went out.

Just like our offense hasn't been the same since Garçon went out. It was just a quick flash, but it was clear with Griffin to Garçon we had something special. You can't just replace explosive game breakers like that easily and you can't replace double digit sack guys easily on D.

Ok. Lets go through our starters and you tell me where I'm wrong and how this D is Sooo talented:

Bowen- average to good
Cofield- average to good. IMO playing out of postion. He's better at DE
Jenkins- average to good. Recovering still from missing last year
Jackson- average OLB at best
Fletcher- hamper by injuries
Riley- good Ilb, still developing
Kerrigan- good OLB, still developing and really missing Orakpo
DHall- horrible
C Griffin- horrible
Wilson- average. Starts but really like a #3
Doughty- back up material. Good run defender, horrible vs pass
M Williams- back up material


And who built this D, I think his name is Mike Shanahan rite?
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 05, 2012 1:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I think the defense quit a few weeks ago and now the rest of the team has started to follow.
quit is a strong word. I'd say a few players have, but not the entire unit. Of course, I don't think a few of our defenders have ever given full effort, others just frankly aren't good or are past their prime, others are young and developing.

Most importantly two of our best and most productive defenders are done for the year and its impossible to replace their production with back ups.

Our defensive secondary was never good. With a top 10 pass rush like last years we could mask that deficiency. The moment Carriker and Orakpo went out we were not going to be the same and not be close to last years D.

We remain pretty solid vs the run though, of course that has a lot to do with the fact that our secondary is horrible and teams know they can exploit it...

So why run the ball?

I honestly think what we must start doing on D is more exotic blitzes that confuse offenses. It's the only chance we really have. I'd play Madieu Williams as a deep safety, about 20 yards off the ball. I'd zone blitz a lot, I'd send more than they can block.

We have to get pressure somehow because our secondary can not cover anyone, even for 2 seconds. Evil or Very Mad
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21 ALL THE WAY wrote:
turtle28 wrote:
no biggie. I was just saying.

I know no one player makes or breaks a team, but it's pretty clear our D hasn't looked the same since Carriker and Orakpo went out.

Just like our offense hasn't been the same since Garçon went out. It was just a quick flash, but it was clear with Griffin to Garçon we had something special. You can't just replace explosive game breakers like that easily and you can't replace double digit sack guys easily on D.

Ok. Lets go through our starters and you tell me where I'm wrong and how this D is Sooo talented:

Bowen- average to good
Cofield- average to good. IMO playing out of postion. He's better at DE
Jenkins- average to good. Recovering still from missing last year
Jackson- average OLB at best
Fletcher- hamper by injuries
Riley- good Ilb, still developing
Kerrigan- good OLB, still developing and really missing Orakpo
DHall- horrible
C Griffin- horrible
Wilson- average. Starts but really like a #3
Doughty- back up material. Good run defender, horrible vs pass
M Williams- back up material


And who built this D, I think his name is Mike Shanahan rite?
yeah, he, Bruce and Jim but it is in no way a finished product. Those who thought our D was a finished product before the season were told by me, thai, woz, e and mike23md that they were greatly mistaken because of the lack of talent in the secondary. They spent this offseason upgrading a horrible offense. I expect them to upgrade the defense again next offseason (mostly secondary) and the rt position.

Then, I expect us to be a playoff contender in 2013.
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