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PostPosted: Mon Oct 29, 2012 4:06 am    Post subject: DS's Top D prospects the Browns might Draft Reply with quote

Ok fellow Browns fans here is my mid season watch list of Defensive Prospects. DT will be excluded because The Browns are 5 deep at that position.

43 DE
Damontre Moore*, DE/OLB, Texas A&M
Height: 6-4. Weight: 250.
Projected 40 Time: 4.70.

Bjoern Werner, DE, Florida State
Height: 6-4. Weight: 255.
Projected 40 Time: 4.74.

Sam Montgomery*, DE/OLB, LSU
Height: 6-5. Weight: 260.
Projected 40 Time: 4.61.

Alex Okafor, DE, Texas
Height: 6-4. Weight: 265.
Projected 40 Time: 4.73.

Tank Carradine, DE, Florida State
Height: 6-5. Weight: 265.
Projected 40 Time: 4.75.

43 OLB
Jarvis Jones*, OLB, Georgia
Height: 6-2. Weight: 242.
Projected 40 Time: 4.50

Barkevious Mingo*, DE/OLB, LSU
Height: 6-5. Weight: 240.
Projected 40 Time: 4.60.

Dion Jordan, DE/OLB, Oregon
Height: 6-7. Weight: 243.
Projected 40 Time: 4.70.

Chase Thomas, OLB, Stanford
Height: 6-4. Weight: 245.
Projected 40 Time: 4.61.

Sean Porter, OLB, Texas A&M
Height: 6-2. Weight: 230.
Projected 40 Time: 4.55.

ILB
Manti Te'o, ILB, Notre Dame
Height: 6-2. Weight: 255.
Projected 40 Time: 4.60.

Alec Ogletree*, ILB, Georgia
Height: 6-3. Weight: 236.
Projected 40 Time: 4.61.

Shayne Skov, ILB/OLB, Stanford
Height: 6-3. Weight: 243.
Projected 40 Time: 4.61.

Michael Mauti, ILB, Penn State
Height: 6-2. Weight: 239.
Projected 40 Time: 4.70.

Nico Johnson, ILB, Alabama
Height: 6-3. Weight: 245.
Projected 40 Time: 4.66.

CB
DeMarcus Milliner*, CB, Alabama
Height: 6-1. Weight: 182.
Projected 40 Time: 4.45.

Xavier Rhodes*, CB, Florida State
Height: 6-2. Weight: 215.
Projected 40 Time: 4.44.

Johnthan Banks, CB, Mississippi State
Height: 6-2. Weight: 185.
Projected 40 Time: 4.44.

Jordan Poyer, CB, Oregon State
Height: 6-0. Weight: 190.
Projected 40 Time: 4.45.

David Amerson*, CB, North Carolina State
Height: 6-3. Weight: 194.
Projected 40 Time: 4.46.

FS
Tony Jefferson*, S, Oklahoma
Height: 5-10. Weight: 212.
Projected 40 Time: 4.49.

Kenny Vaccaro, S, Texas
Height: 6-1. Weight: 215.
Projected 40 Time: 4.47.

T.J. McDonald, S, USC
Height: 6-2. Weight: 205.
Projected 40 Time: 4.52.

Eric Reid*, S, LSU
Height: 6-2. Weight: 212.
Projected 40 Time: 4.45.

Robert Lester, S, Alabama
Height: 6-2. Weight: 210.
Projected 40 Time: 4.51
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 29, 2012 7:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think of the players you have listed right now I would probably prefer one of the following and I would at the moment rank them in this order:

Jarvis Jones, OLB, Georgia
Bjoern Werner, DE, Florida State
Manti Te'o, ILB, Notre Dame
Xavier Rhodes, CB, Florida State
Sam Montgomery, DE/OLB, LSU
Sean Porter, OLB, Texas A&M
Barkevious Mingo, DE/OLB, LSU
Jordan Poyer, CB, Oregon State

I think a lot of this will depend on who is coaching the Browns next year and what their defensive philosophy is. I am really hoping we stay with the 4-3 as I think the players we currently have are best suited for that style D.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 29, 2012 3:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

anybody else have any comments
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 29, 2012 3:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jarvis Jones if its top 3 pick.

Te'o if we get top 10

Werner if its top 15

Reid (s) or Jordan (DE) if its any lower than that.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 29, 2012 3:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jarvis Jones if we pick top 5. Jordan Poyer or Teo if we pick in the top 10. Alex Okafor if we pick in the top 15.
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The only DEs starting to stand out to me are Dion Jordan and Damontre Moore. At LB I like Manti Teo but could live without him too. Alec Olgetree actually has potential to be better than Teo IMO but again I can go either way there. At corner the 2 best I've watched by far are Jordan Poyer and Bradley Roby. I have not watched DeMarcus Milliner but I hear great things about him. A couple under the radar safteys I like are Shamarko Thomas and Phillip Thomas. Oh I also like Datone Jones DE of UCLA, however, he is another big power guy much lik Rucker and IMO we need speed.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 29, 2012 4:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DS, you left Rambo off the list. He should be on there.

On top of that, could some of you give me a break down of the top FS's in this class. I havn't paid much attention to them. I firmly believe that FS is top 2 in offseason needs. Either by draft for FA (and there's some good FA's) but I'd like to know more about the possible draftee's.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 29, 2012 5:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

KamTrus20 wrote:
The only DEs starting to stand out to me are Dion Jordan and Damontre Moore. At LB I like Manti Teo but could live without him too. Alec Olgetree actually has potential to be better than Teo IMO but again I can go either way there. At corner the 2 best I've watched by far are Jordan Poyer and Bradley Roby. I have not watched DeMarcus Milliner but I hear great things about him. A couple under the radar safteys I like are Shamarko Thomas and Phillip Thomas. Oh I also like Datone Jones DE of UCLA, however, he is another big power guy much lik Rucker and IMO we need speed.




Shamarko Thomas is strictly a SS, and Philip Thomas was drafted this passt draft by the eagles
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 29, 2012 5:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bulldog wrote:
DS, you left Rambo off the list. He should be on there.

On top of that, could some of you give me a break down of the top FS's in this class. I havn't paid much attention to them. I firmly believe that FS is top 2 in offseason needs. Either by draft for FA (and there's some good FA's) but I'd like to know more about the possible draftee's.


I have Rambo as a SS.

Well the FS list is a little different this year as there are several large CB's that could make awesome FS's ala Malcom Jenkins and Antrell Rolle.
Say Rhodes or Amerson for example.

But all the guys I listed are pretty good at playing centerfield and in man coverage as well.

If you'd want an elite FS I would look at converting a CB at the top of the draft IMO and that would be Rhodes and Amerson right now.

That help?
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 29, 2012 5:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DawgSoldier wrote:
bulldog wrote:
DS, you left Rambo off the list. He should be on there.

On top of that, could some of you give me a break down of the top FS's in this class. I havn't paid much attention to them. I firmly believe that FS is top 2 in offseason needs. Either by draft for FA (and there's some good FA's) but I'd like to know more about the possible draftee's.


I have Rambo as a SS.

Well the FS list is a little different this year as there are several large CB's that could make awesome FS's ala Malcom Jenkins and Antrell Rolle.
Say Rhodes or Amerson for example.

But all the guys I listed are pretty good at playing centerfield and in man coverage as well.

If you'd want an elite FS I would look at converting a CB at the top of the draft IMO and that would be Rhodes and Amerson right now.

That help?


I think its unlikely a first round pick gets moved from CB to FS. A corner is much more highly valued in this league, and that would be a bit risky in the first round anyways. And usually, CB's only move to FS b/c they failed to live up to expectations at Corner. Usually the only other reason a CB starts at FS is if a players does poorly at flipping his hips and bad COD skills.

Both players you listed as conversions were CB's first. Then somewhat failed, then moved to FS. (Although, Rolle is still their slot CB, they bring in another FS instead of a nickel back)

So I'd like to know more about this classes FS's. The guys that play Safety right now. Not the conversion guys, since, IMO, thats not a likely option.

Guys like Reid, McDonald, Rambo (why do you have him as a SS?), Vaccaro, Jefferson, and Lester and so on. I want to know more about them.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 29, 2012 5:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry but using Malcolm Jenkins as an example of a CB switching to safety is not gonna help your argument
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Dawgpoun8017 wrote:
KamTrus20 wrote:
The only DEs starting to stand out to me are Dion Jordan and Damontre Moore. At LB I like Manti Teo but could live without him too. Alec Olgetree actually has potential to be better than Teo IMO but again I can go either way there. At corner the 2 best I've watched by far are Jordan Poyer and Bradley Roby. I have not watched DeMarcus Milliner but I hear great things about him. A couple under the radar safteys I like are Shamarko Thomas and Phillip Thomas. Oh I also like Datone Jones DE of UCLA, however, he is another big power guy much lik Rucker and IMO we need speed.




Shamarko Thomas is strictly a SS, and Philip Thomas was drafted this passt draft by the eagles


Wrong

and even more Wrong.

Shamarko can play free or strong. I believe he is a SS now but has the range to play anywhere. In the NFL on most teams the FS and SS position are interchangable. Very few schemes anymore rely on having a true FS and SS. Shamarko has range and coverage skills to play FS.

Phillip Thomas is a senior for Fresno State this year. I don't know if Philadelphia drafted a Phillip Thomas or not, but it sure wasn't the Phillips Thomas I have watched more than once just this season.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 29, 2012 6:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

KamTrus20 wrote:
Very few schemes anymore rely on having a true FS and SS.


I agree with this. But this is not what the Browns do.

As the offense switches the Strong side from left to right, so does the OLB's and Safety's for the Browns.

They want a true FS. Thus my asking of a breakdown of the FS's in this class.
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bulldog wrote:
KamTrus20 wrote:
Very few schemes anymore rely on having a true FS and SS.


I agree with this. But this is not what the Browns do.

As the offense switches the Strong side from left to right, so does the OLB's and Safety's for the Browns.

They want a true FS. Thus my asking of a breakdown of the FS's in this class.


I agree but at the same time I have very little faith the coaching staff is still here next year. It would be irresponsible to eliminate a guy from your draft board simply because he doesn't fit the scheme we run right now.
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KamTrus20 wrote:
Dawgpoun8017 wrote:
KamTrus20 wrote:
The only DEs starting to stand out to me are Dion Jordan and Damontre Moore. At LB I like Manti Teo but could live without him too. Alec Olgetree actually has potential to be better than Teo IMO but again I can go either way there. At corner the 2 best I've watched by far are Jordan Poyer and Bradley Roby. I have not watched DeMarcus Milliner but I hear great things about him. A couple under the radar safteys I like are Shamarko Thomas and Phillip Thomas. Oh I also like Datone Jones DE of UCLA, however, he is another big power guy much lik Rucker and IMO we need speed.




Shamarko Thomas is strictly a SS, and Philip Thomas was drafted this passt draft by the eagles


Wrong

and even more Wrong.

Shamarko can play free or strong. I believe he is a SS now but has the range to play anywhere. In the NFL on most teams the FS and SS position are interchangable. Very few schemes anymore rely on having a true FS and SS. Shamarko has range and coverage skills to play FS.

Phillip Thomas is a senior for Fresno State this year. I don't know if Philadelphia drafted a Phillip Thomas or not, but it sure wasn't the Phillips Thomas I have watched more than once just this season.


I thought you were talking Philip thomas from Syracuse, I have seen every game Shamarko has played since he was a freshman, he is more athletic than, but plays the exact same way as Ward does, He is a SS at the next level (a good one imo) but he is a down in the box safety, he can cover if need be but coverage is not the strength of his game
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