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Slaymont Harris


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 07, 2012 8:43 pm    Post subject: Bears' Defense So Far Reply with quote

I posted this in one of the general topics, but I thought it warranted it's own topic:

If you subtract Cutler's pick 6, the special teams TD, and the 8 pts Kyle Orton scored with 30 seconds left down 24, the Bears are giving up 9.8 pts per game. The defense is also scoring 7 pts a game, getting 3.4 takeaways a game, and 3.6 sacks a game. Those numbers are completely insane.

Some people will look at yards given up, but I think that's pretty irrelevant. Those numbers give a better indication just how dominant the D has been so far.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 07, 2012 11:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The yardage relented number in totaling team defense is as misleading as any when determining this defense. This is the best defense we have had since Lovie has been here, and quite a few years before that as well.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 08, 2012 12:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

bearsaddict wrote:
The yardage relented number in totaling team defense is as misleading as any when determining this defense. This is the best defense we have had since Lovie has been here, and quite a few years before that as well.


Last week, both the Aikman ratings and Football Outsiders, using their metrics, had the Bears as the best defense in the league. If an offense drives 80 yards and then turns the ball over, who cares that the defense gave up 80 yards? They stopped them during the drive and prevented them from scoring points. End of story.

It isn't possible to play much better on defense than the Bears have done so far, not in this era especially. They'll give up 10 but score you 7 and get you a couple more takeaways to help the offense score.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 08, 2012 2:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Slaymont Harris wrote:
bearsaddict wrote:
The yardage relented number in totaling team defense is as misleading as any when determining this defense. This is the best defense we have had since Lovie has been here, and quite a few years before that as well.


Last week, both the Aikman ratings and Football Outsiders, using their metrics, had the Bears as the best defense in the league. If an offense drives 80 yards and then turns the ball over, who cares that the defense gave up 80 yards? They stopped them during the drive and prevented them from scoring points. End of story.

It isn't possible to play much better on defense than the Bears have done so far, not in this era especially. They'll give up 10 but score you 7 and get you a couple more takeaways to help the offense score.
I always look first at points given up in evaluating a defense. And points scored. Giving up low yardage is important because it measures the time a defense is on the field but can be over-weighted by the factors you mention.

Right now I think we clearly have on of the top three if not the best. SF, Pitts, Balt, Mn, NYG, Texans are all very good.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 08, 2012 9:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Via Biggs...

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Couple interesting stats for #Bears coming out of blowout win on both sides of the ball. But defense really shines.

*** The Bears limited the Jaguars to 189 yards offense, the second time this season the team has held an opponent under 200 yards (Week 3, St. Louis had 160). Through five weeks (not counting Monday night game tonight) there have been only seven times where a team has held an opponent under 200 yards. So, the Bears have two. Of course, the Jaguars entered ranked 32nd in the NFL in offense, so that wasn’t a surprise.

*** The defense has scored five touchdowns (all on interception returns with four in the last two games) while giving up just five total touchdowns (one rushing, four passing). The other two touchdowns given up by the Bears this season were on a fake field goal at Green Bay in Week 2 and an interception return by Indianapolis in Week 1.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 08, 2012 11:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kohaku loves the defensive momentum going into the bye week. However, the defense is playing lights out against mediocre opponents. Kohaku knows the true test comes week 10 and 11.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 08, 2012 12:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This defense is insane and stingy as hell. I do worry about this D if and when they are not able to generate turnovers. But I'm not complaining.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 08, 2012 2:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can't count on turnovers to stop drives or to have 2 or 3 a game. However, you can force enough turnovers to force teams to game plan around it and that usually pays dividends by limiting the offense or at least focusing prep time to be spent on avoiding turnovers, instead of other items.

Aside from the turnovers, this is looking like this is the best D-line Lovie has had here and that makes his cover 2 cook.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 15, 2012 8:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

According to Larry Mayer...
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The Bears record for defensive touchdowns in a season was set by the 1942 team with eight. The NFL mark is 10 by the 1998 Seattle Seahawks. In terms of individual records, Ken Houston of the Houston Oilers scored five defensive TDs in 1971. The Bears mark is two, and it's shared by multiple players including Lance Briggs and Charles Tillman this season.


http://www.chicagobears.com/news/chalk-talk/article-1/Are-Bears-going-to-sign-Plaxico-Burress/95b71e7e-feb2-4cf5-87d8-6fa9a5059b09
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2012 2:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Bears defense is rather complex. They have the talent to make it work. Smart players. Less experienced and less talented QB's will get eaten up.

QB's like Manning, Brady and Rogers have the experience and talent to take it apart.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2012 2:30 pm    Post subject: What!! Reply with quote

Badger75


We havent played Eli or Brady this year...but we did play Aaron Rodgers and expect for the one play to Driver down the seem for a TD, we held the packers in check..

Cutler threw like 2 or 3 INTs that game this year, we had a fake FG for a touchdown, and our offense couldnt get moving. Forte also got injuried and was out of the game. With all that been said we really stopped Rodgers and sacked him I believe 6 or 7 times...So Rodgers didnt tear our defense apart.

I believe our defense is better than Arizonas, Vikings, Seahawks, Colts, and at times the 49ers D who all gave Rodgers trouble, the packers lost to, or would give him trouble.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 27, 2012 10:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There have been only two completions of 30 or more yards against the Bears defense over the first six games.

Bears cornerback Charles Tillman credits the improved play of safeties Chris Conte and Major Wright and the work of the coaching staff for all but eliminating the busted coverages that previously plagued the defense. "Just talking from a safety standpoint, Major Wright and Chris Conte have done a phenomenal job of not giving up the big plays and letting guys get behind them like they did last year," Tillman said. So far this season, Pro Football Focus has Wright as a top-10 safety.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 27, 2012 2:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was listening to ESPN 1000 in the car a few hours before the MNF game, and they had Trent Dilfer on as a guest. My opinion of Dilfer aside, he said something that we don't think about. Dilfer was talking about his experience playing against and being around the defense in Tampa, with Dungy, Marinelli, Kiffin, and Lovie. He said that unlike a lot of defenses, they don't stop attacking and going for the ball from the snap through the whistle, and that not all defenses are predicated on that kind of pressure. I don't think we've recognized in that here in Chicago over the past few years, because we've become fickle and called the Tampa 2 an outdated defense that brings little pressure.
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