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nugpimpen


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2012 3:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DawgSoldier wrote:
hey brought up star, a hybrid or 34 is the only justification IMO to drafting him.


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Lotulelei could effectively be seen anywhere across a 3-4 front and both inside positions in the 4-3. His deceptive quickness allows him to play a lot more positions on the field.



- Bleacher report

Don't kill the messenger

I realize he's better suited for the 3-4, but he would still beast in a 4-3.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2012 3:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nugpimpen wrote:
DawgSoldier wrote:
nugpimpen wrote:


If they go after star they NEED to switch to the 34 or a hybrid just get all the talent on the field at the same time.

Say sign Connor Barwin too and you would have a nasty D


Are you putting Star at DE or NT?

Taylor-Rubin-Star

Sheard-Jackson-?-Barwin


That would be disgusting... and still have the personnel to put in for a 4-3... Hughes and Winn can fill in anywhere on that line. We have a plethora of suitable LB's in the middle. It would be hard to staff the OLBs though.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2012 4:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you have talent any defensive scheme would work
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2012 4:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nugpimpen wrote:
DawgSoldier wrote:
nugpimpen wrote:


If they go after star they NEED to switch to the 34 or a hybrid just get all the talent on the field at the same time.

Say sign Connor Barwin too and you would have a nasty D


Are you putting Star at DE or NT?

Taylor-Rubin-Star

Sheard-Jackson-?-Barwin


You could drop Gocong into that "?" maybe? Still don't like it because who knows whether Sheard could rock OLB.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2012 4:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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If you have coaching any defensive scheme would work


Good teams draft players that coaches can use in their scheme, not necessarily stars. See Pittsburgh and New England.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2012 4:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As a Gators fan I hate pimping Georgia players but at this point I'm on the Jones bandwagon. Kid is strong and fast for his size. I'm tired of running backs being able to bounce it to the outside with out any problems before they get stopped by Jackson 5 or 6 yards already up field.
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If you have coaching any defensive scheme would work


Good teams draft players that coaches can use in their scheme, not necessarily stars. See Pittsburgh and New England.


Good coaches also find ways to make their scheme work for the players they have
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2012 4:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

candyman93 wrote:
pnies20 wrote:
candyman93 wrote:
If you have coaching any defensive scheme would work


Good teams draft players that coaches can use in their scheme, not necessarily stars. See Pittsburgh and New England.


Good coaches also find ways to make their scheme work for the players they have


I wasn't trying to say you were wrong just that we don't have good coaching
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 26, 2012 2:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

EL Brownso wrote:
nugpimpen wrote:
DawgSoldier wrote:
nugpimpen wrote:


If they go after star they NEED to switch to the 34 or a hybrid just get all the talent on the field at the same time.

Say sign Connor Barwin too and you would have a nasty D


Are you putting Star at DE or NT?

Taylor-Rubin-Star

Sheard-Jackson-?-Barwin


That would be disgusting... and still have the personnel to put in for a 4-3... Hughes and Winn can fill in anywhere on that line. We have a plethora of suitable LB's in the middle. It would be hard to staff the OLBs though.


you make Stephens into a LB and draft one in a later round
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We don't need another big defensive tackle. We just don't. It's not a good investment. We have two very good, young ones already who play the center of the line. We also have some pretty decent depth behind them. What we don't have is a stud opposite of Sheard. I don't like the thought of drafting a DT, changing the defensive system back to a 3-4, and hoping that Sheard pans out at outside linebacker. To me, that's foolish. We already know that D'qwell can play in a 4-3 but not a 3-4. We also know that Rubin, Sheard, and Taylor are all excellent in the 4-3. Why change everything when we are so close to having an exceptional 4-3 front seven? Makes no sense to me.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 26, 2012 4:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

NateDawg wrote:
We don't need another big defensive tackle. We just don't. It's not a good investment. We have two very good, young ones already who play the center of the line. We also have some pretty decent depth behind them. What we don't have is a stud opposite of Sheard. I don't like the thought of drafting a DT, changing the defensive system back to a 3-4, and hoping that Sheard pans out at outside linebacker. To me, that's foolish. We already know that D'qwell can play in a 4-3 but not a 3-4. We also know that Rubin, Sheard, and Taylor are all excellent in the 4-3. Why change everything when we are so close to having an exceptional 4-3 front seven? Makes no sense to me.


Just kicking around the idea as Star May be BPA when the Browns pick.

A lot of folks compare him to Ngata, passing on 2 prospects like that or trading them away Crying or Very sad
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 26, 2012 7:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wouldn't mind taking Star if you can't trade down. I like the thought of grabbing Barwin too. Gocong could be the thumper inside next to DQ or you could draft someone like CJ Mosely in the 3rd. The Dline would be great but the OLB's would be very questionable. Always been high on Barwin but a full-time starter with no backup for him???
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NateDawg wrote:
We don't need another big defensive tackle. We just don't. It's not a good investment. We have two very good, young ones already who play the center of the line. We also have some pretty decent depth behind them. What we don't have is a stud opposite of Sheard. I don't like the thought of drafting a DT, changing the defensive system back to a 3-4, and hoping that Sheard pans out at outside linebacker. To me, that's foolish. We already know that D'qwell can play in a 4-3 but not a 3-4. We also know that Rubin, Sheard, and Taylor are all excellent in the 4-3. Why change everything when we are so close to having an exceptional 4-3 front seven? Makes no sense to me.


So let me get this straight, say we draft a DE and he turns out to be mediocre at best. Star turns out to be, well a star. You won't be disappointed? My question wasn't answered before, will you answer it?

Now if the Browns think that DE will be a stud then yes I would go that route. But in a crappy draft you go BPA regardless of position. And yes that would include DT. Maybe the only 2 positions I wouldn't go are OT and RB.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 26, 2012 12:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If Star is the best player, i see no reason not to take him. I'd probably be happier however with a trade down if at all possible.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 26, 2012 12:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Trade down is definitely optin 1, 2 and 3. That is a must.

If we do however find ourselves stuck, i'm between Jones and Star right now.

Obviously there is plenty of time for the board to shift, but I'd have no problem drafting Star.
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