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| Madmike90 wrote: | | WindyCity wrote: | Right now I would say our needs are
1. OL
2. LB
3. CB
4. TE
All those positions usually have value picks in the late 1st. |
I would say…
1. LB
2. OL
3. CB
4. DL
5. TE
I have Dline ahead of TE depending on Idonije’s status…if he isn’t resigned we lose a versatile part of our Dline…this season has proven that if we can get pass rush we can be dominate on the defensive side of the ball…we have to keep the talent and depth levels up at that spot…
As for the TE position we have to decide what we want at the position and stick to it…we aren’t going to find a TE like Gronk who can do it all…we have to decide if we are going to have a TE who is a great blocker but is lacking in the passing game or if we want an undersized receiving TE…until we decide on that direction I don’t see any real point in pouring resources into the position…altho one guy who is really growing on me is Nick Kasa out of Colorado…former DE who plays the TE spot with that kind of mentality…but has also averaged over 18 YPC this season…he is very very raw but the size at 6-6” 260lbs with his mentality and physical ability could see him being this years Taylor Thompson who went in the 4th this year. |
I think TE is a weapon that we simply do not have.
Right now on our offence I can argue, that outside of Carimi who needs time, that TE is the worst position on our offence.
If I can get a real weapon like Graham I make the move.
Gronk is 1 in a million.
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Madmike90
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| WindyCity wrote: | | Madmike90 wrote: | | WindyCity wrote: | Right now I would say our needs are
1. OL
2. LB
3. CB
4. TE
All those positions usually have value picks in the late 1st. |
I would say…
1. LB
2. OL
3. CB
4. DL
5. TE
I have Dline ahead of TE depending on Idonije’s status…if he isn’t resigned we lose a versatile part of our Dline…this season has proven that if we can get pass rush we can be dominate on the defensive side of the ball…we have to keep the talent and depth levels up at that spot…
As for the TE position we have to decide what we want at the position and stick to it…we aren’t going to find a TE like Gronk who can do it all…we have to decide if we are going to have a TE who is a great blocker but is lacking in the passing game or if we want an undersized receiving TE…until we decide on that direction I don’t see any real point in pouring resources into the position…altho one guy who is really growing on me is Nick Kasa out of Colorado…former DE who plays the TE spot with that kind of mentality…but has also averaged over 18 YPC this season…he is very very raw but the size at 6-6” 260lbs with his mentality and physical ability could see him being this years Taylor Thompson who went in the 4th this year. |
I think TE is a weapon that we simply do not have.
Right now on our offence I can argue, that outside of Carimi who needs time, that TE is the worst position on our offence.
If I can get a real weapon like Graham I make the move.
Gronk is 1 in a million. |
I don't think there is anyone close to even Graham...the best TE in the draft is Eifert and he is just another Greg Olsen IMO...
I think we are getting too wrapped up in wanting a big time pass catcher at TE...offences like The Pats and Saints don't have an elite WR on the outside so there TEs have to be the focal point of their passing attack…and at times they suffer for only being able to do certain things with those TEs...we have Marshall on the outside...a TE in this offence won't catch as many balls as one will in NE or NO so our TE's skill set has to be different because it’s getting harder and harder to find great all round TEs from the college ranks...to me you almost have to choose if you want a pass catcher or a blocker…for me this offence might even be better with a truly great blocking TE…especially if Alshon lives up to his potential. |
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| DaMike wrote: | | Pinky wrote: | | i'd like Mike Mauti, but probably not in the first round |
I dont think he has the athleticism to play in our scheme. I dont like him in coverage. |
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TytybearsFan21
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| Pinky wrote: | | DaMike wrote: | | Pinky wrote: | | i'd like Mike Mauti, but probably not in the first round |
I dont think he has the athleticism to play in our scheme. I dont like him in coverage. |
he's a friend of a friend, so i'm biased |
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| Pinky wrote: | | DaMike wrote: | | Pinky wrote: | | i'd like Mike Mauti, but probably not in the first round |
I dont think he has the athleticism to play in our scheme. I dont like him in coverage. |
he's a friend of a friend, so i'm biased |
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| Madmike90 wrote: | | WindyCity wrote: | | Madmike90 wrote: | | WindyCity wrote: | Right now I would say our needs are
1. OL
2. LB
3. CB
4. TE
All those positions usually have value picks in the late 1st. |
I would say…
1. LB
2. OL
3. CB
4. DL
5. TE
I have Dline ahead of TE depending on Idonije’s status…if he isn’t resigned we lose a versatile part of our Dline…this season has proven that if we can get pass rush we can be dominate on the defensive side of the ball…we have to keep the talent and depth levels up at that spot…
As for the TE position we have to decide what we want at the position and stick to it…we aren’t going to find a TE like Gronk who can do it all…we have to decide if we are going to have a TE who is a great blocker but is lacking in the passing game or if we want an undersized receiving TE…until we decide on that direction I don’t see any real point in pouring resources into the position…altho one guy who is really growing on me is Nick Kasa out of Colorado…former DE who plays the TE spot with that kind of mentality…but has also averaged over 18 YPC this season…he is very very raw but the size at 6-6” 260lbs with his mentality and physical ability could see him being this years Taylor Thompson who went in the 4th this year. |
I think TE is a weapon that we simply do not have.
Right now on our offence I can argue, that outside of Carimi who needs time, that TE is the worst position on our offence.
If I can get a real weapon like Graham I make the move.
Gronk is 1 in a million. |
I don't think there is anyone close to even Graham...the best TE in the draft is Eifert and he is just another Greg Olsen IMO...
I think we are getting too wrapped up in wanting a big time pass catcher at TE...offences like The Pats and Saints don't have an elite WR on the outside so there TEs have to be the focal point of their passing attack…and at times they suffer for only being able to do certain things with those TEs...we have Marshall on the outside...a TE in this offence won't catch as many balls as one will in NE or NO so our TE's skill set has to be different because it’s getting harder and harder to find great all round TEs from the college ranks...to me you almost have to choose if you want a pass catcher or a blocker…for me this offence might even be better with a truly great blocking TE…especially if Alshon lives up to his potential. |
This just doesn't make sense. You are correct in that a solid TE would not get as many touches as in NE, but it is silly to say our tight end's skill set has to be different because of that. A solid pass catching TE would really screw defenses by not allowing them to really try to lock up Marshall and Jeffery. You said it yourself that NE can really be hurt by the fact that they don't have elite WRs, well, imagine how much it opens everything up when you DO have elite WRs. I will also say this, Eifert is NOT just another Greg Olsen. He has better hands AND he is a better blocker.
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Madmike90
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| bearsaddict wrote: | | Madmike90 wrote: | | WindyCity wrote: | | Madmike90 wrote: | | WindyCity wrote: | Right now I would say our needs are
1. OL
2. LB
3. CB
4. TE
All those positions usually have value picks in the late 1st. |
I would say…
1. LB
2. OL
3. CB
4. DL
5. TE
I have Dline ahead of TE depending on Idonije’s status…if he isn’t resigned we lose a versatile part of our Dline…this season has proven that if we can get pass rush we can be dominate on the defensive side of the ball…we have to keep the talent and depth levels up at that spot…
As for the TE position we have to decide what we want at the position and stick to it…we aren’t going to find a TE like Gronk who can do it all…we have to decide if we are going to have a TE who is a great blocker but is lacking in the passing game or if we want an undersized receiving TE…until we decide on that direction I don’t see any real point in pouring resources into the position…altho one guy who is really growing on me is Nick Kasa out of Colorado…former DE who plays the TE spot with that kind of mentality…but has also averaged over 18 YPC this season…he is very very raw but the size at 6-6” 260lbs with his mentality and physical ability could see him being this years Taylor Thompson who went in the 4th this year. |
I think TE is a weapon that we simply do not have.
Right now on our offence I can argue, that outside of Carimi who needs time, that TE is the worst position on our offence.
If I can get a real weapon like Graham I make the move.
Gronk is 1 in a million. |
I don't think there is anyone close to even Graham...the best TE in the draft is Eifert and he is just another Greg Olsen IMO...
I think we are getting too wrapped up in wanting a big time pass catcher at TE...offences like The Pats and Saints don't have an elite WR on the outside so there TEs have to be the focal point of their passing attack…and at times they suffer for only being able to do certain things with those TEs...we have Marshall on the outside...a TE in this offence won't catch as many balls as one will in NE or NO so our TE's skill set has to be different because it’s getting harder and harder to find great all round TEs from the college ranks...to me you almost have to choose if you want a pass catcher or a blocker…for me this offence might even be better with a truly great blocking TE…especially if Alshon lives up to his potential. |
This just doesn't make sense. You are correct in that a solid TE would not get as many touches as in NE, but it is silly to say our tight end's skill set has to be different because of that. A solid pass catching TE would really screw defenses by not allowing them to really try to lock up Marshall and Jeffery. You said it yourself that NE can really be hurt by the fact that they don't have elite WRs, well, imagine how much it opens everything up when you DO have elite WRs. I will also say this, Eifert is NOT just another Greg Olsen. He has better hands AND he is a better blocker. |
But the difference is NE don’t just have “solid” pass catching TEs…they have the elite TE in the NFL and one of the very best pass catching TEs…if we could get a guy who was as good as those two then scheme wouldn’t matter but IMO no one in the upcoming draft is close to Gronk or has the versatility of Hernandez…a solid pass catching TE would be great in this offence…but because he wouldn’t see the ball a ton with the talents not only on the outside but coming out of the backfield he would have to be able to block just as well as he catches because he won’t be the featured target like Gronk or Hernandez are…with the rise of the spread offence in the college game it is getting harder and harder to find great all round TEs…which means you have to balance out getting a quality receiving TE if you want to feature them a lot in the passing game…or get a TE who can catch some balls over the middle but who’s main role is to help in the blocking game…
Like everyone else I would love an elite weapon at TE but I just don’t think there is enough balls to go around to warrant taking one in the 1st round…especially not for a guy like Eifert who like I said IMO is another Greg Olsen…in fact Eifert is very similar to Coby Fleener from last year IMO. |
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| bearsaddict wrote: | | Madmike90 wrote: | | WindyCity wrote: | | Madmike90 wrote: | | WindyCity wrote: | Right now I would say our needs are
1. OL
2. LB
3. CB
4. TE
All those positions usually have value picks in the late 1st. |
I would say…
1. LB
2. OL
3. CB
4. DL
5. TE
I have Dline ahead of TE depending on Idonije’s status…if he isn’t resigned we lose a versatile part of our Dline…this season has proven that if we can get pass rush we can be dominate on the defensive side of the ball…we have to keep the talent and depth levels up at that spot…
As for the TE position we have to decide what we want at the position and stick to it…we aren’t going to find a TE like Gronk who can do it all…we have to decide if we are going to have a TE who is a great blocker but is lacking in the passing game or if we want an undersized receiving TE…until we decide on that direction I don’t see any real point in pouring resources into the position…altho one guy who is really growing on me is Nick Kasa out of Colorado…former DE who plays the TE spot with that kind of mentality…but has also averaged over 18 YPC this season…he is very very raw but the size at 6-6” 260lbs with his mentality and physical ability could see him being this years Taylor Thompson who went in the 4th this year. |
I think TE is a weapon that we simply do not have.
Right now on our offence I can argue, that outside of Carimi who needs time, that TE is the worst position on our offence.
If I can get a real weapon like Graham I make the move.
Gronk is 1 in a million. |
I don't think there is anyone close to even Graham...the best TE in the draft is Eifert and he is just another Greg Olsen IMO...
I think we are getting too wrapped up in wanting a big time pass catcher at TE...offences like The Pats and Saints don't have an elite WR on the outside so there TEs have to be the focal point of their passing attack…and at times they suffer for only being able to do certain things with those TEs...we have Marshall on the outside...a TE in this offence won't catch as many balls as one will in NE or NO so our TE's skill set has to be different because it’s getting harder and harder to find great all round TEs from the college ranks...to me you almost have to choose if you want a pass catcher or a blocker…for me this offence might even be better with a truly great blocking TE…especially if Alshon lives up to his potential. |
This just doesn't make sense. You are correct in that a solid TE would not get as many touches as in NE, but it is silly to say our tight end's skill set has to be different because of that. A solid pass catching TE would really screw defenses by not allowing them to really try to lock up Marshall and Jeffery. You said it yourself that NE can really be hurt by the fact that they don't have elite WRs, well, imagine how much it opens everything up when you DO have elite WRs. I will also say this, Eifert is NOT just another Greg Olsen. He has better hands AND he is a better blocker. |
He's also much more fluid then Olsen. |
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The best available MLB, Safety, WR.
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| Badger75 wrote: | | The best available MLB, Safety, WR. |
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| Madmike90 wrote: | | bearsaddict wrote: | | Madmike90 wrote: | | WindyCity wrote: | | Madmike90 wrote: | | WindyCity wrote: | Right now I would say our needs are
1. OL
2. LB
3. CB
4. TE
All those positions usually have value picks in the late 1st. |
I would say…
1. LB
2. OL
3. CB
4. DL
5. TE
I have Dline ahead of TE depending on Idonije’s status…if he isn’t resigned we lose a versatile part of our Dline…this season has proven that if we can get pass rush we can be dominate on the defensive side of the ball…we have to keep the talent and depth levels up at that spot…
As for the TE position we have to decide what we want at the position and stick to it…we aren’t going to find a TE like Gronk who can do it all…we have to decide if we are going to have a TE who is a great blocker but is lacking in the passing game or if we want an undersized receiving TE…until we decide on that direction I don’t see any real point in pouring resources into the position…altho one guy who is really growing on me is Nick Kasa out of Colorado…former DE who plays the TE spot with that kind of mentality…but has also averaged over 18 YPC this season…he is very very raw but the size at 6-6” 260lbs with his mentality and physical ability could see him being this years Taylor Thompson who went in the 4th this year. |
I think TE is a weapon that we simply do not have.
Right now on our offence I can argue, that outside of Carimi who needs time, that TE is the worst position on our offence.
If I can get a real weapon like Graham I make the move.
Gronk is 1 in a million. |
I don't think there is anyone close to even Graham...the best TE in the draft is Eifert and he is just another Greg Olsen IMO...
I think we are getting too wrapped up in wanting a big time pass catcher at TE...offences like The Pats and Saints don't have an elite WR on the outside so there TEs have to be the focal point of their passing attack…and at times they suffer for only being able to do certain things with those TEs...we have Marshall on the outside...a TE in this offence won't catch as many balls as one will in NE or NO so our TE's skill set has to be different because it’s getting harder and harder to find great all round TEs from the college ranks...to me you almost have to choose if you want a pass catcher or a blocker…for me this offence might even be better with a truly great blocking TE…especially if Alshon lives up to his potential. |
This just doesn't make sense. You are correct in that a solid TE would not get as many touches as in NE, but it is silly to say our tight end's skill set has to be different because of that. A solid pass catching TE would really screw defenses by not allowing them to really try to lock up Marshall and Jeffery. You said it yourself that NE can really be hurt by the fact that they don't have elite WRs, well, imagine how much it opens everything up when you DO have elite WRs. I will also say this, Eifert is NOT just another Greg Olsen. He has better hands AND he is a better blocker. |
But the difference is NE don’t just have “solid” pass catching TEs…they have the elite TE in the NFL and one of the very best pass catching TEs…if we could get a guy who was as good as those two then scheme wouldn’t matter but IMO no one in the upcoming draft is close to Gronk or has the versatility of Hernandez…a solid pass catching TE would be great in this offence…but because he wouldn’t see the ball a ton with the talents not only on the outside but coming out of the backfield he would have to be able to block just as well as he catches because he won’t be the featured target like Gronk or Hernandez are…with the rise of the spread offence in the college game it is getting harder and harder to find great all round TEs…which means you have to balance out getting a quality receiving TE if you want to feature them a lot in the passing game…or get a TE who can catch some balls over the middle but who’s main role is to help in the blocking game…
Like everyone else I would love an elite weapon at TE but I just don’t think there is enough balls to go around to warrant taking one in the 1st round…especially not for a guy like Eifert who like I said IMO is another Greg Olsen…in fact Eifert is very similar to Coby Fleener from last year IMO. |
Do you think that Greg Olsen wouldn't be a great weapon in our offense right now with Marshall and Alshon in the mix? I would LOVE to bring a Greg Olsen type in right now to be a complimentary player.
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| Madmike90 wrote: | | bearsaddict wrote: | | Madmike90 wrote: | | WindyCity wrote: | | Madmike90 wrote: | | WindyCity wrote: | Right now I would say our needs are
1. OL
2. LB
3. CB
4. TE
All those positions usually have value picks in the late 1st. |
I would say…
1. LB
2. OL
3. CB
4. DL
5. TE
I have Dline ahead of TE depending on Idonije’s status…if he isn’t resigned we lose a versatile part of our Dline…this season has proven that if we can get pass rush we can be dominate on the defensive side of the ball…we have to keep the talent and depth levels up at that spot…
As for the TE position we have to decide what we want at the position and stick to it…we aren’t going to find a TE like Gronk who can do it all…we have to decide if we are going to have a TE who is a great blocker but is lacking in the passing game or if we want an undersized receiving TE…until we decide on that direction I don’t see any real point in pouring resources into the position…altho one guy who is really growing on me is Nick Kasa out of Colorado…former DE who plays the TE spot with that kind of mentality…but has also averaged over 18 YPC this season…he is very very raw but the size at 6-6” 260lbs with his mentality and physical ability could see him being this years Taylor Thompson who went in the 4th this year. |
I think TE is a weapon that we simply do not have.
Right now on our offence I can argue, that outside of Carimi who needs time, that TE is the worst position on our offence.
If I can get a real weapon like Graham I make the move.
Gronk is 1 in a million. |
I don't think there is anyone close to even Graham...the best TE in the draft is Eifert and he is just another Greg Olsen IMO...
I think we are getting too wrapped up in wanting a big time pass catcher at TE...offences like The Pats and Saints don't have an elite WR on the outside so there TEs have to be the focal point of their passing attack…and at times they suffer for only being able to do certain things with those TEs...we have Marshall on the outside...a TE in this offence won't catch as many balls as one will in NE or NO so our TE's skill set has to be different because it’s getting harder and harder to find great all round TEs from the college ranks...to me you almost have to choose if you want a pass catcher or a blocker…for me this offence might even be better with a truly great blocking TE…especially if Alshon lives up to his potential. |
This just doesn't make sense. You are correct in that a solid TE would not get as many touches as in NE, but it is silly to say our tight end's skill set has to be different because of that. A solid pass catching TE would really screw defenses by not allowing them to really try to lock up Marshall and Jeffery. You said it yourself that NE can really be hurt by the fact that they don't have elite WRs, well, imagine how much it opens everything up when you DO have elite WRs. I will also say this, Eifert is NOT just another Greg Olsen. He has better hands AND he is a better blocker. |
But the difference is NE don’t just have “solid” pass catching TEs…they have the elite TE in the NFL and one of the very best pass catching TEs…if we could get a guy who was as good as those two then scheme wouldn’t matter but IMO no one in the upcoming draft is close to Gronk or has the versatility of Hernandez…a solid pass catching TE would be great in this offence…but because he wouldn’t see the ball a ton with the talents not only on the outside but coming out of the backfield he would have to be able to block just as well as he catches because he won’t be the featured target like Gronk or Hernandez are…with the rise of the spread offence in the college game it is getting harder and harder to find great all round TEs…which means you have to balance out getting a quality receiving TE if you want to feature them a lot in the passing game…or get a TE who can catch some balls over the middle but who’s main role is to help in the blocking game…
Like everyone else I would love an elite weapon at TE but I just don’t think there is enough balls to go around to warrant taking one in the 1st round…especially not for a guy like Eifert who like I said IMO is another Greg Olsen…in fact Eifert is very similar to Coby Fleener from last year IMO. |
You make it sound like it's an elite TE or none... That can't be the mindset. There is a huge gap between Kellen Davis and an elite TE, we need to find somebody inbetween... How many young QB's have there TE as there major safety blanket? Cutler NEEDS one, not Kellen Davis, and just because theres no "elite" TE shouldn't deter us from looking that direction.
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A good TE is a weapon and it adds to the offence.
Cutler has had success with a good pass catching TE in Tony Scheffler.
Right now we are not an elite offence and I think more weapons and better blocking could not hurt.
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