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| Tatupu_64 wrote: | Irvin - Watt - Jones - Clemons
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Sherm - Peterson -Earl - Kam - Browner
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Miller wouldn't play DE 
I'll take a consistent pass rush from the LB position over a "dynamic" CB that provides little more than Browner does (who is phenomenal at turning the ball over in his own right).
Best possible unit is:
Watt - Jones - Mebane - Clemons
Miller - Wagner - Wright
Sherman - Chancellor - Thomas - Browner
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Until we get an every down DT, who can cosistently scare the living crap out of opposing QB's, that will always be one of my answers.  |
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| TheOsprey wrote: | | Ndamukong Suh and J.J. Watt. QB's would just flop to the ground, to keep from getting injured. |
I'll take Geno Atkins over Suh.
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Tatupu_64
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| Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2012 11:41 pm Post subject: |
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| SaveourSonics wrote: | | Tatupu_64 wrote: | Irvin - Watt - Jones - Clemons
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Sherm - Peterson -Earl - Kam - Browner
as much better than
Miller - Watt - Jones - Clemons
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Sherm - Tru - Earl - Kam - Browner |
Miller wouldn't play DE
I'll take a consistent pass rush from the LB position over a "dynamic" CB that provides little more than Browner does (who is phenomenal at turning the ball over in his own right).
Best possible unit is:
Watt - Jones - Mebane - Clemons
Miller - Wagner - Wright
Sherman - Chancellor - Thomas - Browner |
In a nickel package
which is what we line up in 50% of the time at least imo
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Tatupu_64
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| Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2012 11:42 pm Post subject: |
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| TheOsprey wrote: | | Until we get an every down DT, who can cosistently scare the living crap out of opposing QB's, that will always be one of my answers. |
We don't need one with Watt. He'll create pressure from end and assuming we'll be in a nickel package 50% of our snaps, he's essentially a UT for us.
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| Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2012 11:51 pm Post subject: |
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| Tatupu_64 wrote: | | SaveourSonics wrote: | | Tatupu_64 wrote: | Irvin - Watt - Jones - Clemons
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Sherm - Peterson -Earl - Kam - Browner
as much better than
Miller - Watt - Jones - Clemons
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Sherm - Tru - Earl - Kam - Browner |
Miller wouldn't play DE
I'll take a consistent pass rush from the LB position over a "dynamic" CB that provides little more than Browner does (who is phenomenal at turning the ball over in his own right).
Best possible unit is:
Watt - Jones - Mebane - Clemons
Miller - Wagner - Wright
Sherman - Chancellor - Thomas - Browner |
In a nickel package
which is what we line up in 50% of the time at least imo |
1. Doesn't change the fact that Miller wouldn't play DE.
2. Wouldn't change the fact that Peterson really isn't a noticeable upgrade at the position.
3. Bruce Irvin is not on the field for 50% of our plays, which is what your formation implies. We may have a Nickel corner on the field 50% of the time, but that does not mean we are in our base Nickel package on those plays.
4. Why are we only limiting this to the Nickel package and who out of Sherman/Peterson/Browner play the Nickel? Because none of them have been successful with it in their career (Peterson got abused by Amendola in this role earlier this season, just in case you were thinking of saying that).
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You're telling me that Von Miller wouldn't play DE in a nickel package?
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| Tatupu_64 wrote: | | You're telling me that Von Miller wouldn't play DE in a nickel package? |
That's exactly what I'm saying. Why would we need him to when he's just as effective rushing off the edge in a 2-point stance as he is from the DE position? Why would we limit ourselves to 2 potential pass rushers on Nickel downs when we can have 3? Why wouldn't we put all of Irvin, Clemons, and Miller on the field at the same time?
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| SaveourSonics wrote: | | Tatupu_64 wrote: | | You're telling me that Von Miller wouldn't play DE in a nickel package? |
That's exactly what I'm saying. Why would we need him to when he's just as effective rushing off the edge in a 2-point stance as he is from the DE position? Why would we limit ourselves to 2 potential pass rushers on Nickel downs when we can have 3? Why wouldn't we put all of Irvin, Clemons, and Miller on the field at the same time? |
Because generally you're only going to rush 4 or 5, and you get more out of him coming from an end spot.
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I'm going with Reggie White and Lawrence Taylor  They're both unstoppable and the dichotomy of the preacher and the sinner would be legendary to see on the same team. Just to have Taylor screaming to get after the opponents like a pack of crazed dogs would be worth it, but then you add Reggie Whites demeanor to keep everyone else in check. I don't think anyone would score on us...ever.
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| SaveourSonics wrote: | | TheOsprey wrote: | | Ndamukong Suh and J.J. Watt. QB's would just flop to the ground, to keep from getting injured. |
I'll take Geno Atkins over Suh. |
I love Atkins, but you're insane! |
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| Tatupu_64 wrote: | | TheOsprey wrote: | | Until we get an every down DT, who can cosistently scare the living crap out of opposing QB's, that will always be one of my answers. |
We don't need one with Watt. He'll create pressure from end and assuming we'll be in a nickel package 50% of our snaps, he's essentially a UT for us. |
Yes, we do need one. Watt would command a double team, but what good is that when we have no DT's who can get pressure? I want pressure from the ends and the interior. We got pressure from both ends with Brock and Clemons, but opposing QB's were still able to step deep into the pocket and burn us. I want a DT there to smash him when he does.
Peterson is the one that I don't understand. He's not much better than what we have now. I don't see him as a significant upgrade at all. |
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| TheoryofSeahawk wrote: | | I'm going with Reggie White and Lawrence Taylor They're both unstoppable and the dichotomy of the preacher and the sinner would be legendary to see on the same team. Just to have Taylor screaming to get after the opponents like a pack of crazed dogs would be worth it, but then you add Reggie Whites demeanor to keep everyone else in check. I don't think anyone would score on us...ever. |
Current Otherwise yeah... I'd agree. At least on Reggie.
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| TheOsprey wrote: | | Tatupu_64 wrote: | | TheOsprey wrote: | | Until we get an every down DT, who can cosistently scare the living crap out of opposing QB's, that will always be one of my answers. |
We don't need one with Watt. He'll create pressure from end and assuming we'll be in a nickel package 50% of our snaps, he's essentially a UT for us. |
Yes, we do need one. Watt would command a double team, but what good is that when we have no DT's who can get pressure? I want pressure from the ends and the interior. We got pressure from both ends with Brock and Clemons, but opposing QB's were still able to step deep into the pocket and burn us. I want a DT there to smash him when he does.
Peterson is the one that I don't understand. He's not much better than what we have now. I don't see him as a significant upgrade at all. |
How often do we have 3 cornerbacks on the field?
And in what situations was Brock in? Pass rushing situations. So that would mean Irvin was in. Which would mean Watt would be at DT...
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| TheoryofSeahawk wrote: | | I'm going with Reggie White and Lawrence Taylor They're both unstoppable and the dichotomy of the preacher and the sinner would be legendary to see on the same team. Just to have Taylor screaming to get after the opponents like a pack of crazed dogs would be worth it, but then you add Reggie Whites demeanor to keep everyone else in check. I don't think anyone would score on us...ever. |
J.J. Watt reminds me a lot of Reggie White. Both appear unblockable at times and both are huge DE's. |
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