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titanrick
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| spilltray wrote: | | TheKillerNacho wrote: | | Interesting... this certainly increases the Saints' chances at winning the appeal. To be honest, they need some kind of permanent role for this. Someone other than Goodell should be reviewing the appeals, always. |
Then the NFLPA shouldn't have let Goodell be the person who hears appeals in the CBA. They have no legal ground to expect this and it's in large part their own fault.
I realize they did this to try and minimize scrutiny but I wish he would have handled it himself again just to make the point that he IS the final arbitrator.
I also don't really think this helps the Saints case at all. I'm expecting everything to be rubber stamped all over again. |
Agree with all of that.
I'm still very confused at how a court had authority to invalidate sections of a collective bargaining agreement after a miniscule percentage on one side of the issue complains after the agreement that it's not fair.
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| Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2012 2:32 pm Post subject: |
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| titanrick wrote: | | spilltray wrote: | | TheKillerNacho wrote: | | Interesting... this certainly increases the Saints' chances at winning the appeal. To be honest, they need some kind of permanent role for this. Someone other than Goodell should be reviewing the appeals, always. |
Then the NFLPA shouldn't have let Goodell be the person who hears appeals in the CBA. They have no legal ground to expect this and it's in large part their own fault.
I realize they did this to try and minimize scrutiny but I wish he would have handled it himself again just to make the point that he IS the final arbitrator.
I also don't really think this helps the Saints case at all. I'm expecting everything to be rubber stamped all over again. |
Agree with all of that.
I'm still very confused at how a court had authority to invalidate sections of a collective bargaining agreement after a miniscule percentage on one side of the issue complains after the agreement that it's not fair. |
what happened was that the original penalties were stated to be for the entire program not just the pay-for-injury portion of it. The pay-for-performance would fall under a completely different punishment process where Goodell wouldn't be the one with the authority to issue penalties. They kicked it back to Goodell saying he had to specify and re evaluate the punishment based ONLY on the "conduct detrimental" portion and not have it as an all in one punishment including the pay-for-performance system. Goodell was more specific the second time around avoiding this loophole.
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MNPackfan32
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| Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2012 3:02 pm Post subject: |
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| Feel bad for Saints fans. It's not something you want talked about, and they just keep rehashing this and its always the lead story. I am ready for all of this garbage to end. |
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Boltstrikes
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| Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2012 3:10 pm Post subject: |
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Anyone that thinks that Tags will be more lenient then Goodell is delusional. Tags will go strictly by the evidence and if that evidence is damning then Vilma can kiss his career goodbye.
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El ramster
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| Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2012 3:22 pm Post subject: |
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Paul man.. Loved that guy, Haven't heard his name in a WHILE..
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scar988
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| Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2012 3:49 pm Post subject: |
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| Boltstrikes wrote: | | Anyone that thinks that Tags will be more lenient then Goodell is delusional. Tags will go strictly by the evidence and if that evidence is damning then Vilma can kiss his career goodbye. |
This ^
People forget that Tags was stricter in terms of enforcing penalties than Goodell is.
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BillsGuy82
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| Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2012 4:14 pm Post subject: |
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| Flaccomania wrote: | | I wonder what the excuse will be if Tagliabue enforces the decisions? |
Exactly .. Uphold suspensions and move on.. Put the situation to bed finally.
As a die hard fan of this league I'm sick of hearing this on every Pre-Game show and all over NFL network. |
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bucsfan333
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| Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2012 4:39 pm Post subject: |
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I quit following this mess a long time ago. I just want it to end so I can quit hearing about it.
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| Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2012 5:09 pm Post subject: |
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Tagliabue>>>
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titanrick
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| Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2012 5:51 pm Post subject: |
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| spilltray wrote: | | what happened was that the original penalties were stated to be for the entire program not just the pay-for-injury portion of it. The pay-for-performance would fall under a completely different punishment process where Goodell wouldn't be the one with the authority to issue penalties. They kicked it back to Goodell saying he had to specify and re evaluate the punishment based ONLY on the "conduct detrimental" portion and not have it as an all in one punishment including the pay-for-performance system. Goodell was more specific the second time around avoiding this loophole. |
Thanks for clarifying that for me. Makes more sense and I hadn't heard it explained that way before.
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| Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2012 6:33 pm Post subject: |
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I think it was good on Goddell's part to allow somebody else to decide the appeal, he doesn't have to, so he's doing it in the interest of getting this whole issue done and over with.
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spilltray
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| Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2012 6:38 pm Post subject: |
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| Superman(DH23) wrote: | | I think it was good on Goddell's part to allow somebody else to decide the appeal, he doesn't have to, so he's doing it in the interest of getting this whole issue done and over with. |
I do see that point, I just think it opens the door to a whine fest every time, when the players agreed to his complete authority both handing out the punishments and handling the appeals over "conduct detrimental" situations just last year.
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sp6488
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| Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2012 8:28 pm Post subject: |
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| BaltimoreTerp wrote: | | navysaintsfan wrote: | | Flaccomania wrote: | | I wonder what the excuse will be if Tagliabue enforces the decisions? |
There will be none...and we can finally all get on with our lives. I just want this story to be in the past. |
Ha. We should be so lucky.
The rabble rousers will be out in full force either way: If Tagliabue upholds Goodell's ruling, then people will complain that it was collusion/Tagliabue was acting as Goodell's lackey. If he is more lenient on the players, then people will use it as evidence to further undermine Goodell's credibility. |
100% agree.
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Ketchup
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| Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2012 8:34 pm Post subject: |
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Goodell sucks so bad. He's just chickening out and putting it on someone else. Horrible. Should be fired.
That's sarcasm by the way. Goodell made the right call here and shows that he actually does care unlike what so many think.
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| Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2012 9:35 pm Post subject: |
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They need to speed this process up and get it over with.
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