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| Colt45fool wrote: | lol @ the Kyle Wilson defense in this thread...
receiver against Wilson is jammed at the line of scrimmage
SOMEHOW has an affect on the throw from the QB 25 yards down field
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Tell me how Lankster is better then we'll talk.
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Malik
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| I have no idea why anyone wants to draft any of the garbage QBs in this year's draft with any of the first 3 picks. |
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Jetsman82
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| Bray, Jones, and Glennon are all pretty good IMO. I don't really like the top 2 or 3, but I like the second tier guys actually. |
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JetFanSince85
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| Unless Rex and Tanny are both gone, Mark will be the QB. |
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GangGreen420
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| JetFanSince85 wrote: | | Unless Rex and Tanny are both gone, Mark will be the QB. |
WINNAR.
I just want to hold off until Rex and Sparano are gone to draft a QB anyway. I don't want either of those guys anywhere near our new QB. |
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JetFanSince85
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I have defended Mark on here all too much, to be honest this current regime has done him a great disservice. Now today I read how they wanteds Josh Freeman instead and that Rex made the ultimate decision. We'll the Bucs decided to put talent around him and that is why he has excelled in his 4th year. They have drafted players and brought in players to help.
We have drafted only defensive players since rex has been here. All three drafts top picks were on the D's Side.
So Mark has been void of an offensive mind to help him grow and has been handcuffed to not make throws that result in turnovers. That is why you see so many check down's and short completions.
You need to bring in an Offensive minded coach, someone to help mold him into a QB. He has the physical tools, he needs playmakers around him. http://walterfootball.com/scoutingreport2009msanchez.php |
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Colt45fool
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| Jamison. wrote: | | Colt45fool wrote: | lol @ the Kyle Wilson defense in this thread...
receiver against Wilson is jammed at the line of scrimmage
SOMEHOW has an affect on the throw from the QB 25 yards down field
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Tell me how Lankster is better then we'll talk. |
He looked lost in the last game, but i'll take my chances with Lankster in the slot over Wilson...idk what the metrics are for Lankster in the slot, but I remember Wilson (even last year) was giving up 60-65% of passes in the slot.
Plus Wilson has more value than Lankster. If we can get value and take a small downgrade (or none at all -- again, I don't know Lankster's metrics in the slot) for a pick I can live with that. |
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Jamison.
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| Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2012 8:20 pm Post subject: |
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| Colt45fool wrote: | | Jamison. wrote: | | Colt45fool wrote: | lol @ the Kyle Wilson defense in this thread...
receiver against Wilson is jammed at the line of scrimmage
SOMEHOW has an affect on the throw from the QB 25 yards down field
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Tell me how Lankster is better then we'll talk. |
He looked lost in the last game, but i'll take my chances with Lankster in the slot over Wilson...idk what the metrics are for Lankster in the slot, but I remember Wilson (even last year) was giving up 60-65% of passes in the slot.
Plus Wilson has more value than Lankster. If we can get value and take a small downgrade (or none at all -- again, I don't know Lankster's metrics in the slot) for a pick I can live with that. |
When Lankster plays the slot, the QB rating against him is 99.6.
When Wilson plays the slot, the QB rating against him is 48.6(2012), 59.5(2010) and 87.7(2011) was his down year. Average for his career is 65.3.
Success rate in Wilson's career in the slot is 55.3 so I'm not sure it's as bad as you say despite his down year last year.
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Colt45fool
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| Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2012 9:24 pm Post subject: |
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| Jamison. wrote: | | Colt45fool wrote: | | Jamison. wrote: | | Colt45fool wrote: | lol @ the Kyle Wilson defense in this thread...
receiver against Wilson is jammed at the line of scrimmage
SOMEHOW has an affect on the throw from the QB 25 yards down field
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Tell me how Lankster is better then we'll talk. |
He looked lost in the last game, but i'll take my chances with Lankster in the slot over Wilson...idk what the metrics are for Lankster in the slot, but I remember Wilson (even last year) was giving up 60-65% of passes in the slot.
Plus Wilson has more value than Lankster. If we can get value and take a small downgrade (or none at all -- again, I don't know Lankster's metrics in the slot) for a pick I can live with that. |
When Lankster plays the slot, the QB rating against him is 99.6.
When Wilson plays the slot, the QB rating against him is 48.6(2012), 59.5(2010) and 87.7(2011) was his down year. Average for his career is 65.3.
Success rate in Wilson's career in the slot is 55.3 so I'm not sure it's as bad as you say despite his down year last year. |
Interesting. I didn't know Lankster was so bad.
Is he just getting thrown on a lot or what? On eye test alone he looks much better than that QB rating indicates. |
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Jamison.
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| Colt45fool wrote: | | Jamison. wrote: | | Colt45fool wrote: | | Jamison. wrote: | | Colt45fool wrote: | lol @ the Kyle Wilson defense in this thread...
receiver against Wilson is jammed at the line of scrimmage
SOMEHOW has an affect on the throw from the QB 25 yards down field
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Tell me how Lankster is better then we'll talk. |
He looked lost in the last game, but i'll take my chances with Lankster in the slot over Wilson...idk what the metrics are for Lankster in the slot, but I remember Wilson (even last year) was giving up 60-65% of passes in the slot.
Plus Wilson has more value than Lankster. If we can get value and take a small downgrade (or none at all -- again, I don't know Lankster's metrics in the slot) for a pick I can live with that. |
When Lankster plays the slot, the QB rating against him is 99.6.
When Wilson plays the slot, the QB rating against him is 48.6(2012), 59.5(2010) and 87.7(2011) was his down year. Average for his career is 65.3.
Success rate in Wilson's career in the slot is 55.3 so I'm not sure it's as bad as you say despite his down year last year. |
Interesting. I didn't know Lankster was so bad.
Is he just getting thrown on a lot or what? On eye test alone he looks much better than that QB rating indicates. |
It's because you are seeing him in limited action. I am also a victim of this but I'm starting to be less biased and observe without anger when I watch the Jets play so I can analyze their players better. When thrown at, Lankster has made some plays but has also been lost quite a few times. He's also small so it's hard for him to have success on anyone who is physical and tall. Don't get me wrong he can be a pretty good dime CB, but in no way shape or form should we rely on him to be our slot CB on a game to game basic. Wilson has been a lot better than people think. We've been spoiled at the CB position. A lot of teams have been a lot less fortunate for us. Don't forget Kyle Wilson is player extremely well with a horrible pass rush. It's difficult for any CB to have success with such a horrible pass rush.
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RDawg10
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| Jamison. wrote: | | Colt45fool wrote: | | Jamison. wrote: | | Colt45fool wrote: | | Jamison. wrote: | | Colt45fool wrote: | lol @ the Kyle Wilson defense in this thread...
receiver against Wilson is jammed at the line of scrimmage
SOMEHOW has an affect on the throw from the QB 25 yards down field
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Tell me how Lankster is better then we'll talk. |
He looked lost in the last game, but i'll take my chances with Lankster in the slot over Wilson...idk what the metrics are for Lankster in the slot, but I remember Wilson (even last year) was giving up 60-65% of passes in the slot.
Plus Wilson has more value than Lankster. If we can get value and take a small downgrade (or none at all -- again, I don't know Lankster's metrics in the slot) for a pick I can live with that. |
When Lankster plays the slot, the QB rating against him is 99.6.
When Wilson plays the slot, the QB rating against him is 48.6(2012), 59.5(2010) and 87.7(2011) was his down year. Average for his career is 65.3.
Success rate in Wilson's career in the slot is 55.3 so I'm not sure it's as bad as you say despite his down year last year. |
Interesting. I didn't know Lankster was so bad.
Is he just getting thrown on a lot or what? On eye test alone he looks much better than that QB rating indicates. |
It's because you are seeing him in limited action. I am also a victim of this but I'm starting to be less biased and observe without anger when I watch the Jets play so I can analyze their players better. When thrown at, Lankster has made some plays but has also been lost quite a few times. He's also small so it's hard for him to have success on anyone who is physical and tall. Don't get me wrong he can be a pretty good dime CB, but in no way shape or form should we rely on him to be our slot CB on a game to game basic. Wilson has been a lot better than people think. We've been spoiled at the CB position. A lot of teams have been a lot less fortunate for us. Don't forget Kyle Wilson is player extremely well with a horrible pass rush. It's difficult for any CB to have success with such a horrible pass rush. |
I was at the jets game the other day, trust me lankster is horrendous. He couldnt cover welker if his life depended on it. If trufant was available he would have been there. On a good salary i would take wilson any day of the week in the slot. We just need a pass rush.
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| Jamison. wrote: | | It's because you are seeing him in limited action. I am also a victim of this but I'm starting to be less biased and observe without anger when I watch the Jets play so I can analyze their players better. When thrown at, Lankster has made some plays but has also been lost quite a few times. He's also small so it's hard for him to have success on anyone who is physical and tall. Don't get me wrong he can be a pretty good dime CB, but in no way shape or form should we rely on him to be our slot CB on a game to game basic. Wilson has been a lot better than people think. We've been spoiled at the CB position. A lot of teams have been a lot less fortunate for us. Don't forget Kyle Wilson is player extremely well with a horrible pass rush. It's difficult for any CB to have success with such a horrible pass rush. |
It was like people bashing Cro. He is playing better this year but it isn't a revolutionary change. He just had Revis next to him the past few years. Same thing is happening to Wilson. |
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Jamison.
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| teamorange wrote: | | Jamison. wrote: | | It's because you are seeing him in limited action. I am also a victim of this but I'm starting to be less biased and observe without anger when I watch the Jets play so I can analyze their players better. When thrown at, Lankster has made some plays but has also been lost quite a few times. He's also small so it's hard for him to have success on anyone who is physical and tall. Don't get me wrong he can be a pretty good dime CB, but in no way shape or form should we rely on him to be our slot CB on a game to game basic. Wilson has been a lot better than people think. We've been spoiled at the CB position. A lot of teams have been a lot less fortunate for us. Don't forget Kyle Wilson is player extremely well with a horrible pass rush. It's difficult for any CB to have success with such a horrible pass rush. |
It was like people bashing Cro. He is playing better this year but it isn't a revolutionary change. He just had Revis next to him the past few years. Same thing is happening to Wilson. |
Exactly.
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Wilson is better than Lankster but honestly who gives a $#!t we have much bigger problems than our back up CBs. Thats an area of strength compaired to other positions on this team.
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| Colt45fool wrote: | lol @ the Kyle Wilson defense in this thread...
receiver against Wilson is jammed at the line of scrimmage
SOMEHOW has an affect on the throw from the QB 25 yards down field
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Don't bother anymore, it's the same argument vs the same argument.
Once they said that I gave up.
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