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nicfre2011


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2012 11:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Arrowhead86 wrote:
Alright this may be crazy but I'm trying to come up with ways I could accept Pioli back next year. I just have this fear that Hunt will not fire Pioli - a fear that scares me big time because what coach will want to come in and work with him.

However I will add the one thing I came up with that could help me with Pioli. We all know how tied Pioli was to his late round "gem" Matt Cassel. He's given Matt a supreme level of faith and patience and commitment!

Now imagine the same commitment should he take a QB #1 overall?! I want this future 1st rounder to work out and I want the organization to commit to a first round (likely #1 overall) QB completley. It it fails down the road - fine - but commit and try it. I don't want any quick triggers on our developing young franchise signal caller.

There ya go - one thing to put in a 'pro' column for Pioli if he's retained somehow.


Where I don't trust Pioli is where he has also failed in his inability to assemble a coaching staff that provides roster stability. This failure has also hurt Matt Cassel I am sure and there is a very real chance that his decisions here on out could also not be the best for a young, developing quarterback.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2012 11:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Arrowhead86 wrote:
Alright this may be crazy but I'm trying to come up with ways I could accept Pioli back next year. I just have this fear that Hunt will not fire Pioli - a fear that scares me big time because what coach will want to come in and work with him.

However I will add the one thing I came up with that could help me with Pioli. We all know how tied Pioli was to his late round "gem" Matt Cassel. He's given Matt a supreme level of faith and patience and commitment!

Now imagine the same commitment should he take a QB #1 overall?! I want this future 1st rounder to work out and I want the organization to commit to a first round (likely #1 overall) QB completley. It it fails down the road - fine - but commit and try it. I don't want any quick triggers on our developing young franchise signal caller.

There ya go - one thing to put in a 'pro' column for Pioli if he's retained somehow.


What if Pioli tries to tell us our new QB needs time to learn and that Cassel is a better option to win right now with and sits him in the bench for a year or two? What if we draft another DE and give Stanzi three years so Pioli can say he found another gem?

I want this mother gone !
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2012 11:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

nicfre2011 wrote:
Arrowhead86 wrote:
Alright this may be crazy but I'm trying to come up with ways I could accept Pioli back next year. I just have this fear that Hunt will not fire Pioli - a fear that scares me big time because what coach will want to come in and work with him.

However I will add the one thing I came up with that could help me with Pioli. We all know how tied Pioli was to his late round "gem" Matt Cassel. He's given Matt a supreme level of faith and patience and commitment!

Now imagine the same commitment should he take a QB #1 overall?! I want this future 1st rounder to work out and I want the organization to commit to a first round (likely #1 overall) QB completley. It it fails down the road - fine - but commit and try it. I don't want any quick triggers on our developing young franchise signal caller.

There ya go - one thing to put in a 'pro' column for Pioli if he's retained somehow.


Where I don't trust Pioli is where he has also failed in his inability to assemble a coaching staff that provides roster stability. This failure has also hurt Matt Cassel I am sure and there is a very real chance that his decisions here on out could also not be the best for a young, developing quarterback.


This is a good point and if we look at the staff's he assembled in his 4 years - I wouldn't trust any of them with our prized rookie QBotF. Valid concern and a big check in the 'con' column.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2012 11:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

EB29 wrote:
Arrowhead86 wrote:
Alright this may be crazy but I'm trying to come up with ways I could accept Pioli back next year. I just have this fear that Hunt will not fire Pioli - a fear that scares me big time because what coach will want to come in and work with him.

However I will add the one thing I came up with that could help me with Pioli. We all know how tied Pioli was to his late round "gem" Matt Cassel. He's given Matt a supreme level of faith and patience and commitment!

Now imagine the same commitment should he take a QB #1 overall?! I want this future 1st rounder to work out and I want the organization to commit to a first round (likely #1 overall) QB completley. It it fails down the road - fine - but commit and try it. I don't want any quick triggers on our developing young franchise signal caller.

There ya go - one thing to put in a 'pro' column for Pioli if he's retained somehow.


What if Pioli tries to tell us our new QB needs time to learn and that Cassel is a better option to win right now with and sits him in the bench for a year or two? What if we draft another DE and give Stanzi three years so Pioli can say he found another gem?

I want this mother gone !


I have to believe there is no way Cassel returns and no way we don't go QB in the first even with Pioli.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2012 12:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Arrowhead86 wrote:
Alright this may be crazy but I'm trying to come up with ways I could accept Pioli back next year. I just have this fear that Hunt will not fire Pioli - a fear that scares me big time because what coach will want to come in and work with him.

However I will add the one thing I came up with that could help me with Pioli. We all know how tied Pioli was to his late round "gem" Matt Cassel. He's given Matt a supreme level of faith and patience and commitment!

Now imagine the same commitment should he take a QB #1 overall?! I want this future 1st rounder to work out and I want the organization to commit to a first round (likely #1 overall) QB completley. It it fails down the road - fine - but commit and try it. I don't want any quick triggers on our developing young franchise signal caller.

There ya go - one thing to put in a 'pro' column for Pioli if he's retained somehow.


This is assuming he does draft a QB Anxious

I just hope he doesn't get antsy since going this high with a QB is not something he neccessarily wants to do. If he's then not doing too great the first two years, Pioli could be like "see, told ya we shoulda stuck with Matt".
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2012 12:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If Pioli is kept then Crennel is kept.

Clark Hunt is not stupid. Neither will be retained.

It's as simple as that.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2012 8:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Another GM candidate is Brian Gardner, who's the current Director of Pro Personnel with the Texans. He's been in that role for 6 season, and during that time he's been in charge of building a pretty talented team.

Sure he's had a few very meh drafts, but one of his best was 2009, which most people regard as overall one of the worst drafts in recent memory. In that draft (his second with the team), the one where we got 2 decent players, he landed Cushing, Connor Barwin, Glover Quinn, Antoine Caldwell their C, and James Casey a very under-rated H-back. That's a heck of a draft especially considering how bad most other team's drafts were.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2012 12:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bill Polian anybody? Just throwing out another name
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2012 12:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

88, I'd be down with Polian, but in reality I'd be down with anybody who doesn't spell their name starting with a P and ending with an I.

Is Marty GM material....seems he's done everything that a GM does except own the title? He would certainly understand the relationship that must exist between the GM and HC. Wow! "Marty and The Chin"......

Sounds like a Disney movie.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2012 12:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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88, I'd be down with Polian, but in reality I'd be down with anybody who doesn't spell their name starting with a P and ending with an I.

Is Marty GM material....seems he's done everything that a GM does except own the title? He would certainly understand the relationship that must exist between the GM and HC. Wow! "Marty and The Chin"......

Sounds like a Disney movie.


I would prefer a young, dynamic GM that understands today's NFL landscape of player personnel and what is coming down the pipeline from college football.

I think guys like Bill Parcells and Joe Gibbs (just two examples) have shown that because the NFL is such a constantly changing environment it is harder for coaches/front office personnel that have been away from the game soo long to re-enter the fray and be successful.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2012 1:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yea but everyone knows marty can build a football team. He understands football.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2012 2:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

valkrei wrote:
Yea but everyone knows marty can build a football team. He understands football.

But people have said the same thing about Parcells.

I'd be fine with Marty as an overall head of football ops kind of guy, but not as the main GM. I think Marty would be good at changing the culture, the PR, the overall franchise, but we need a GM with a strong scouting background to head up player acquisition.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2012 5:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

KCDiehard88 wrote:
Bill Polian anybody? Just throwing out another name


I personally don't know why this name doesn't get thrown around more in our forums. The guy is an amazing GM and got "pooped" on in Indi. I would LOVE him in K.C.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2012 6:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No thanks , his teams always had lots of holes covered up by Manning. Also drafted way too many RB's in the 1st.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2012 8:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mikek163 wrote:
KCDiehard88 wrote:
Bill Polian anybody? Just throwing out another name


I personally don't know why this name doesn't get thrown around more in our forums. The guy is an amazing GM and got "pooped" on in Indi. I would LOVE him in K.C.

Because while it seems like Indy has a good draft history under him at a glance, it is actually quite underwhelming. Start here and scroll to his last draft in 2011.
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