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Yeah when I was coaching football, and really any team sport, it takes me maybe 2-3 games to assess the strength of my players and what roles they need to play.
The fact paid professionals don't get it is mind blowing to say the least.
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| khodder wrote: | | fraziafraze07 wrote: | | Chudzinski calls a pass play against the Seahawks...Newton had a man open and threw it in the dirt, but that doesn't change the fact that it was a bad call. |
A play that would have worked if it had been executed properly cannot be called a bad play call, that is bad player execution. Was it the best play call in that situation, maybe not, but it is not "bad" if it results in a touchdown with correct execution. |
I acknowledged Newton should have made the play. And while it would not have been a "bad" call by that criteria, the fact remains that it is still a worse call relative to running the QB sneak there. A coach's job is to put their players in the best position to win. Running the sneak is gives the team the highest probability of scoring there.
It's just frustrating to see a coach over think this stuff, even if what they do had the chance to turn out OK.
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Crennel not utilizing Eric Berrys coverage skills by keeping him in the box and playing Abram Elam like a free safety instead.
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Jakuvious
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| Chiefer wrote: | | Crennel not utilizing Eric Berrys coverage skills by keeping him in the box and playing Abram Elam like a free safety instead. |
Even worse is having him in one-on-one man coverage against all-pro TEs.
At least have the guy in some kind of zone coverage where he can actually read the play, even if you want him closer in the box.
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| JaguarCrazy2832 wrote: | What the hell?
That cant be right, why are they even playing zone that much more than man? |
I am no expert but is it even plausable to play nothing but man to man?
I would expect that man to man is much more tiring for the secondary. In a zone you dump off your assignment when the receiver moves on. So you run less and dont wear down as much as when your forced play after play to stay in stride in man coverage.
What would a defense look like by the late 3rd and into the 4th quarter if they ran nothing but man to man or a majority of man to man? |
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Jack Del Rio got absolutely abused by The Patriots Offense from a personnel stand point in the 1st half of our game this past Sunday. The Patriots came out on one drive with their Ace Personnel (2 WR, 2 TE, 1 RB) and for some reason we decided to match this with our Nickel Defense. Joe Mays was out of the game with an injury at the time, and our LB's were 230lbs Wesley Woodyard (a below average LB against the run) and 232lbs Danny Trevathan, a Rookie who had played no more than 10 NFL snaps before the game.
The Patriots simply lined up with both of their TE's (Gronk and Fells) inline and pounded the ball at us with a no huddle Offense so we couldn't sub more weight into the lineup. The Patriots ran the ball 6 times in 8 plays for a total of 38 yards on the ground (another 17 through the air), and eventually scored a TD on that drive.
I know it seems minimalistic, but against a quality Offense you have to put your Defense in a position to succeed. Del Rio clearly didn't do this at times this past Sunday.
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Whenever I hear about a coach's scheme/use of a player screwing up that player/players, I think of Herschel Walker after he was a Cowgirl.
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| Eagles_808 wrote: | | JaguarCrazy2832 wrote: | What the hell?
That cant be right, why are they even playing zone that much more than man? |
This is the exact question Eagles fans ask of DC Juan Castillo. It makes no sense with the current roster to play zone more than 5-10% of the time, if that. |
And blitz a little more. But yeah, Juan forces the zone a bit too much to try and help create turnovers.
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| Timothy67 wrote: | | JaguarCrazy2832 wrote: | What the hell?
That cant be right, why are they even playing zone that much more than man? |
I am no expert but is it even plausable to play nothing but man to man?
I would expect that man to man is much more tiring for the secondary. In a zone you dump off your assignment when the receiver moves on. So you run less and dont wear down as much as when your forced play after play to stay in stride in man coverage.
What would a defense look like by the late 3rd and into the 4th quarter if they ran nothing but man to man or a majority of man to man? |
Its not like every play the offense is going 5 wide and running all 9 routes. Its just as tiring for the WR's to run their routes. Plus you add in run plays that aren't twards a corner they get a small breather. I wouldn't say that we should never play zone, but not more than 5% of our defensive snaps IMO. |
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| MNPackfan32 wrote: | | Timothy67 wrote: | | JaguarCrazy2832 wrote: | What the hell?
That cant be right, why are they even playing zone that much more than man? |
I am no expert but is it even plausable to play nothing but man to man?
I would expect that man to man is much more tiring for the secondary. In a zone you dump off your assignment when the receiver moves on. So you run less and dont wear down as much as when your forced play after play to stay in stride in man coverage.
What would a defense look like by the late 3rd and into the 4th quarter if they ran nothing but man to man or a majority of man to man? |
Its not like every play the offense is going 5 wide and running all 9 routes. Its just as tiring for the WR's to run their routes. Plus you add in run plays that aren't twards a corner they get a small breather. I wouldn't say that we should never play zone, but not more than 5% of our defensive snaps IMO. |
That's not true. It's usually easier to run away from someone, than it is chase someone. The defense is going to tire down faster than the offense, whether it be in zone or man coverage. And playing a lot of man coverage would definitely tire you down faster than zone. |
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