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PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 2012 9:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ZoomWaffle wrote:
YoungBucs15 wrote:
ZoomWaffle wrote:
big_palooka wrote:
YoungBucs15 wrote:
Also, how much do you credit Gruden for building that team that went that far in the playoffs?

A ton of credit. He was able to run his WCO over Davis's preferred vertical attack.

As for the draft. That falls more on Davis. I doubt any HC says let's take a kicker w/ the 17th overall pick as good a kicker as he's been over the years, it's just not practical.

Davis also trumped Gruden who wanted Todd Heap for Gibson.

I think Gruden did well where he could in adding vets and hitting an absolute home run with Gannon. But in the end, it was the poor drafting that killed the team moving forward. But Davis had a large hand in that.


And I think the evidence is that once Gruden was traded, we got 2 1st round and 2 2nd round picks and missed on all of them aside from Asomugha. We were the oldest team in the NFL that year, and it hurt the next season when a bunch of those guys retired, got hurt, or just declined because we had nobody to replace them. 8 of our starters were over 30, and 5 were 36+. That was on Al for trying to "win now" without regard for the future of his team.

How much drafting power did he have in TB? Looking at his drafts there were only like 3 players out of all his top-3 picks each year that ended up good.

As far as I know he had quite a bit of power on the draft here. That's what lead me to look at your drafts during his tenure as well. His only good picks would be Davin Joseph, Cadillac Williams(not his fault he got hurt.) and Aqib Talib. Other than that they were all busts or no longer on the team.

He did the same thing here as well though by bringing in players like Garcia, Tim Brown and Garner among others. Than anytime we needed to upgrade or fill a position he went and either signed an over the hill vet or missed on the draft picks. Once Sapp, Lynch and Rice were gone it was just all downhill and are still trying to turn it around.

I just never could figure out that if Gruden is should a great QB coach why he would never draft his guy, he would only deal with aging vet's. Highest he every drafted one of the top my head is the 3rd round in Chris Simms.

He loved Chris Simms, too didnt he? That doesnt make sense to me. He had more power here than any other coach had in a long, long time, but I am certain it was more Al than anything. Still, I'm sure Gruden had his hand in some of our awful picks.

We drafted Tui in the 2nd round to be the eventual replacement for Gannon, but when Gruden left with his WCO Tui just never fit and faded away.
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