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Superman(DH23)
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incog, how do you explain the most targeted CB, and the #1 metric CB all year long not once having been on PFFs top5 CBs? I don't understand their grading system and won't pretend to do so, but I've watched every snap of Bears football this year and if you don't have TJ as a top 5 CB this year so far, I have to question your football knowledge.
Not to mention a few years ago when they had Roberto Garza as the best OG at the point of attack and it was very clear watching him, that he was the worst OL on a collection of really bad OL.
To me their is no difference between PFFs grades and Total QBR, totally subjective made up stats they are attempting to pass off as objective.
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| Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2012 4:05 pm Post subject: |
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Updated through week 9
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| Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2012 4:08 pm Post subject: |
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Still lol'ing at Spencer > Ware
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TheVillain112
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| Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2012 4:12 pm Post subject: |
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Career game for Gresham and he still can't get out of the #1 worst spot,  . He even blocked decently for a change.
And watch your back DMC, BJGE is coming for that #1 worst spot...
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Steelerspower
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Ben Roethlisberger is not in the top 5 
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| Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2012 4:52 pm Post subject: |
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| Steelerspower wrote: | | Ben Roethlisberger is not in the top 5 |
Yeah, that's ridiculous. He's been a top 3-4 QB for pretty much the whole season. I fact, I don't think I've ever been as impressed by Ben in the regular season as I have this year.
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Babylon
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| Steelerspower wrote: | | Ben Roethlisberger is not in the top 5 |
Well, looking at other metrics... he's 5th in QBR, 7th in DYAR, 6th in DVOA, 8th in ANY/A, 7th in AYPA and 6th in ESPN QBR (haha), so yeah, just about every metric doesn't have him as a top 5 QB this year, but right there with them. (them being Ryan, Rodgers, Brady and Peyton for basically all of those) |
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Steelerspower
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| Babylon wrote: | | Steelerspower wrote: | | Ben Roethlisberger is not in the top 5 |
Well, looking at other metrics... he's 5th in QBR, 7th in DYAR, 6th in DVOA, 8th in ANY/A, 7th in AYPA and 6th in ESPN QBR (haha), so yeah, just about every metric doesn't have him as a top 5 QB this year, but right there with them. (them being Ryan, Rodgers, Brady and Peyton for basically all of those) |
Ben is the best QB in the nfl on 3rd down this year
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Babylon
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| Steelerspower wrote: | | Babylon wrote: | | Steelerspower wrote: | | Ben Roethlisberger is not in the top 5 |
Well, looking at other metrics... he's 5th in QBR, 7th in DYAR, 6th in DVOA, 8th in ANY/A, 7th in AYPA and 6th in ESPN QBR (haha), so yeah, just about every metric doesn't have him as a top 5 QB this year, but right there with them. (them being Ryan, Rodgers, Brady and Peyton for basically all of those) |
Ben is the best QB in the nfl on 3rd down this year |
Okay, but the other guys are better on first and second down, (generally) convert more first downs and score more points.
None of this has been a knock on Ben, but by most conventional and advanced metrics, he's just a bit behind the likes of those 4 and usually some random 5th-6th QB who's excelling at one of the stats or another this year for various reasons.
I'd probably put Ben 5th, behind Peyton, Brady, Rodgers and Ryan in roughly that order, just ahead of that pile of Brees, Schaub and Eli if I was listing them. |
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Superman(DH23)
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Someone please explain how Antoine Winfield is the #1 CB in the NFL over Charles Tillman, and how the #1 metric CB can't even crack the top 5 after 8 games?
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Tzimisce
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| Superman(DH23) wrote: | | Someone please explain how Antoine Winfield is the #1 CB in the NFL over Charles Tillman, and how the #1 metric CB can't even crack the top 5 after 8 games? |
Because PFF gives run support equal weight to coverage for CBs.
Why this is, I'll never understand, but there you have it.
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Jon Ryan definitely deserves to make the Pro Bowl this year. He is killing it.
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| Who is Konrad Reuland ??? |
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49ers Finest
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The garbage man! He's an undrafted te from Stanford. Was on our practice squad and we had him there again... And the jets stole him!
What's up with Kendricks?
And wheeler is way up there. Nice move by Oakland. Finally a real gm!
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