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Hurricane Season
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See, this is where I have a hard time taking PFF seriously. I appreciate what they do, or try to do, but there is no way you can convince me, using advanced stats or otherwise, that London Fletcher was the second worst inside linebacker in the NFL. No way.
I don't know for sure how they evaluate players, but there is a flaw somewhere in the system.
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BlaqOptic
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| Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2013 9:46 pm Post subject: |
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Ben Roethlisberger has his 3 worst games... jumps into the top 5. Roethlisberger has a great game to finish the season... moves out of top 5. Seems legit.
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johnnyboy8102
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| Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2013 11:05 pm Post subject: |
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| Hurricane Season wrote: | See, this is where I have a hard time taking PFF seriously. I appreciate what they do, or try to do, but there is no way you can convince me, using advanced stats or otherwise, that London Fletcher was the second worst inside linebacker in the NFL. No way.
I don't know for sure how they evaluate players, but there is a flaw somewhere in the system. |
I love Fletcher but he hasn't played that well this seasons besides making some splash plays these past few games.
He led the entire league in misses tackles with 21.
He had 2 sacks last week but he blitzed 16 times. In his previous 9 games he blitzed 38 times and did not sack, pressure, or hit the QB even once.
His coverage has been very poor all season:
67/95, 70.5% (Most completions & targets for a MLB/ILB)
699 yards (most for a MLB/ILB)
339 Yards after the Catch (3rd most for a MLB/ILB)
5 TDs giving up (2nd most for a MLB/ILB)
I don't agree with PFF rankings but Fletcher's raw numbers above have been pretty bad. Missing a ton of tackles, not providing any pressure when you do blitz, and being picked on in coverage like that is a recipe for disaster. |
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JammerHammer21
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| Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2013 11:12 pm Post subject: |
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Mike Harris... 
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AldonSmith
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| Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2013 12:16 am Post subject: |
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| Hurricane Season wrote: | See, this is where I have a hard time taking PFF seriously. I appreciate what they do, or try to do, but there is no way you can convince me, using advanced stats or otherwise, that London Fletcher was the second worst inside linebacker in the NFL. No way.
I don't know for sure how they evaluate players, but there is a flaw somewhere in the system. |
Well for starters he's a poor tackler. But mostly its because your coaches are putting him in a bad position. He should really be a 2-down player at this time in his career, because his size and age are really hurting his ability in coverage.
Its not so much that he's one of the worst ILBs in the NFL, its just that he's graded out poorly. If he was asked to do less, he'd grade out positively.
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| AldonSmith wrote: | | Hurricane Season wrote: | See, this is where I have a hard time taking PFF seriously. I appreciate what they do, or try to do, but there is no way you can convince me, using advanced stats or otherwise, that London Fletcher was the second worst inside linebacker in the NFL. No way.
I don't know for sure how they evaluate players, but there is a flaw somewhere in the system. |
Well for starters he's a poor tackler. But mostly its because your coaches are putting him in a bad position. He should really be a 2-down player at this time in his career, because his size and age are really hurting his ability in coverage.
Its not so much that he's one of the worst ILBs in the NFL, its just that he's graded out poorly. If he was asked to do less, he'd grade out positively. |
You're more right than you know.
For instance, look at Pierre Thomas. The guy had less than 850 total yards and 2 TD's, but still somehow graded out as the #4 rb in the NFL over guys like Marshawn Lynch and Frank Gore despite averaging less yards per carry than both. How can he possibly grade out better than those two? Well, the only thing I can think of, he was on the field less so he had less "negative" plays. That or its just a [inappropriate/removed] poor grading system. Probably both.
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SnA ExclusiVe
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At least they got FB, CB and ILB correct (although I still think Bowman > Willis).
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AldonSmith
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| SnA ExclusiVe wrote: | | At least they got FB, CB and ILB correct (although I still think Bowman > Willis). |
Willis is a more sound tackler, better at taking on linemen (Willis is just bigger so physics), he gives up less in coverage, makes more plash plays, is the leader of the D, and is the hype man for the team. Bowman is amazing but Willis is still far and away the best ILB in my eyes. I think the only thing Bowman does better is penetrating the backfield for TFLs.
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SnA ExclusiVe
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Literally the only thing I disagree with is having Devin McCourty at FS instead of Earl Thomas or Thomas Decoud
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SaveourSonics
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Not sure how Okung is out of the top 5.
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| SaveourSonics wrote: | | Not sure how Okung is out of the top 5. |
I would say that it's a combination of his (bad) games from the start of the season, and his very average game against the Rams.
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canucks9314
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| SaveourSonics wrote: | | Not sure how Okung is out of the top 5. |
penalties maybe.
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Seeing Evan Mathis and Marshal Yanda ranked 1/2 leaves me wondering how good the Ravens could've been if Mathis didn't turn us down.
Too bad, on to the SB without him.
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AlexM23
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They sure do love Evan Mathis.
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