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PostPosted: Tue Nov 20, 2012 1:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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These are just who they have "rated" as better, right? Not actually who IS better?

Because there's no way Casey Heyward is better than Richard Sherman.


Yeah, it is all ratings, although many of PFF's ratings suck.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 20, 2012 1:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I do not even remotely understand what nonsense grading logic has them putting Matt Ryan's game this week 2.6 points higher than Brandon Weeden's.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 20, 2012 1:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

JammerHammer21 wrote:
SnA ExclusiVe wrote:
These are just who they have "rated" as better, right? Not actually who IS better?

Because there's no way Casey Heyward is better than Richard Sherman.


Yeah, it is all ratings, although many of PFF's ratings suck.


I'd say all of their ratings suck, personally. I read their articles for the stats (X player gave up Y receptions on Z amount of snaps), but the ratings are horrible.

In no way do I believe Michael Robinson is a bottom*-5 FB in this league.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 20, 2012 1:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

They also graded Doug Martin -.9, lower than Rice's -.6
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 20, 2012 1:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SnA ExclusiVe wrote:
JammerHammer21 wrote:
SnA ExclusiVe wrote:
These are just who they have "rated" as better, right? Not actually who IS better?

Because there's no way Casey Heyward is better than Richard Sherman.


Yeah, it is all ratings, although many of PFF's ratings suck.


I'd say all of their ratings suck, personally. I read their articles for the stats (X player gave up Y receptions on Z amount of snaps), but the ratings are horrible.

In no way do I believe Michael Robinson is a bottom*-5 FB in this league.


Even their stats are flawed. I track a couple Chiefs myself to compare them to PFF, and they grossly exaggerate what constitutes a pressure, and most players have a few receptions, yards, and sometimes a TD or two that should be attributed to either other players, or no one. Making a tackle in coverage is often punished in PFF's stats, because they often then consider that man the most likely man to have been covering the receiver.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 20, 2012 2:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SnA ExclusiVe wrote:
These are just who they have "rated" as better, right? Not actually who IS better?

Because there's no way Casey Heyward is better than Richard Sherman.


Its not the better player its judging based of their statistical formulas who is having a better season. Casey Hayward has like 3 games this season where QB's have a QB rating of 0 against him. Not saying anything against Sherman but with the season Heyward is having I can see how a formula would have Heyward slightly ahead.
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Michael Griffin worst safety? All I needed to see in order to realize how much of a joke this list is Laughing
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Packerraymond wrote:
SnA ExclusiVe wrote:
These are just who they have "rated" as better, right? Not actually who IS better?

Because there's no way Casey Heyward is better than Richard Sherman.


Its not the better player its judging based of their statistical formulas who is having a better season. Casey Hayward has like 3 games this season where QB's have a QB rating of 0 against him. Not saying anything against Sherman but with the season Heyward is having I can see how a formula would have Heyward slightly ahead.


It isn't a formula.
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Jakuvious wrote:

Even their stats are flawed. I track a couple Chiefs myself to compare them to PFF, and they grossly exaggerate what constitutes a pressure, and most players have a few receptions, yards, and sometimes a TD or two that should be attributed to either other players, or no one. Making a tackle in coverage is often punished in PFF's stats, because they often then consider that man the most likely man to have been covering the receiver.


Yup, they're atrocious at diagnosing zone coverages, and have other issues with coverage and interior line play due to not using all-22 film (and having a much higher opinion of themselves then actual ability to review play.)

It is what it is.
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RuskieTitan wrote:
Michael Griffin worst safety? All I needed to see in order to realize how much of a joke this list is Laughing


Every other Titans fan says he sucks....
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2. Kellen Davis
1. Jermaine Gresham
4. Ed Dickson
5. Tom Crabtree


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The top 5 qbs are missing.

Funny that Snyder an Rachel who both played rg for us last year are in the bottom 5 and Boone is is now is in the top.

Also our entire lb core is in the top! Yeah buddy. Best lbs in the league.
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Babylon wrote:
Jakuvious wrote:

Even their stats are flawed. I track a couple Chiefs myself to compare them to PFF, and they grossly exaggerate what constitutes a pressure, and most players have a few receptions, yards, and sometimes a TD or two that should be attributed to either other players, or no one. Making a tackle in coverage is often punished in PFF's stats, because they often then consider that man the most likely man to have been covering the receiver.


Yup, they're atrocious at diagnosing zone coverages, and have other issues with coverage and interior line play due to not using all-22 film (and having a much higher opinion of themselves then actual ability to review play.)

It is what it is.


Even if they had all-22 film they'd be incompetent at reading coverages and schemes.
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Von Miller lolollololol how is he so good?

Weddle still T1. Cool


It is pretty simple. He is a pass rusher at the position that usually has players in coverage or playing run responsibilities with the odd blitz.

He still has to produce on his chances, but the fact is a LB in perfect zone coverage is going to get a 0.0 grade unless thrown at and he makes a play on the ball. A LB could seal the edge perfectly in the running game, but have the run go the opposite side. Again, he is going to get a 0.0 grade despite the fact that he has done exactly what was asked of him.

Then you look at a guy rushing the passer. As soon as there is a hint of pressure, a slight hurry you start getting positive grades. That is why when you look at the 3-4 defensive end or the 4-3 DT or the 43 OLB grades are even the ILB/MLB grades the guys who are attacking the QB, creating pass rush pressure are always those with the higher grades. Because a pass rusher getting a hurry is infinitely easier to grade than a weakside LB playing contain to prevent huge cutback lanes.

Put simply, those linebackers asked to play run contain and prevent the cutbacks don't get rewarded for their job when they do it perfectly, but get heavily punished when they don't. Those who rush the passer more often get rewarded even if they only do a part of their job (Hurry), but often don't get punished when they don't do anything.
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3. Brandon Myers
2. Kellen Davis
1. Jermaine Gresham
4. Ed Dickson
5. Tom Crabtree


Go Home RMIB, you're drunk.


I was really out of it, don't worry though I edited it and corrected my mistakes.

I still think their love of Mathis is the worst, I don't even understand what they could be seeing from any perspective that would warrant such a high rating for Mathis. He has been average at best this year...
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