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Dawgpoun8017


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 08, 2012 5:38 pm    Post subject: OK THIS NEEDS TO BE SAID Reply with quote

Ok, I keep hearing people saying on here that Heckert and Holmgren are stupikd for not bringing in FA. Frankley I am still waiting for one of you to tell me what great FA that we had a legit shot at that we wouldnt have to vastly over pay to come here.....?

p.s. hows those great FA signings working out for Buffalo?
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 08, 2012 6:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

my complaint is moreso the lack of decent FA signings.... ever. not just last season. its possible that the Browns have such a bad reputation among former players that nobody is willing to sign here. but since you asked these are some guys i would have loved to see us sign or atleast make offers to:

WRs - VJAx, B Lloyd, J Simpson, Garcon, D Hixon, J Morgan

DBs - C Rodgers, C Finnegan, B Carr, etc
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 08, 2012 6:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah a lot of people wanted Mario Williams. Actually word is Heckert was interested in Garcon and Morgan but Washington vastly outbid him.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 08, 2012 6:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

By the way I'm mostly of the opinion we should not sign a big name free agent until that player could put us in the playoffs. Even than the G.M. should decide how much he is worth and not go over that by much.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 08, 2012 6:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Firmly agree with this
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 08, 2012 7:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

fatpig wrote:
my complaint is moreso the lack of decent FA signings.... ever. not just last season. its possible that the Browns have such a bad reputation among former players that nobody is willing to sign here. but since you asked these are some guys i would have loved to see us sign or atleast make offers to:

WRs - VJAx, B Lloyd, J Simpson, Garcon, D Hixon, J Morgan

DBs - C Rodgers, C Finnegan, B Carr, etc


we did make a play at Garcon and Morgan and Washington outbid us, for more than they are both worth imo.

the others I could not see us being a serious option for them
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 08, 2012 7:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

fatpig wrote:

WRs - VJAx, B Lloyd, J Simpson, Garcon, D Hixon, J Morgan

DBs - C Rodgers, C Finnegan, B Carr, etc


V-Jax went to 1-3 Tampa Bay
Garcon and Simpson have done nothing and have been injured
Hixson was resigned, he had no chance of coming here.
Morgan was overpaid and cost the Redskins a win.

Rodgers wasn't going from a championship contender to the Browns.
Finnegan is a jerk and hardly a great player to build a young team around.
Brandon Carr was given a ridiculous contract to be a #2.

Unless you are a good team on the cusp, spending big bucks on a free agent rarely works out. Heck, even the great OL we wanted (Eric Winston and Carl Nicks) are playing on bad teams.

Bringing in overpriced free agents to be on a bad team for a few years before they are overpaid and under performing will not help us long term or really short term.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 08, 2012 7:53 pm    Post subject: Re: OK THIS NEEDS TO BE SAID Reply with quote

All things being equal Browns landed several quality FA over the years

Jamir Miller
Kevin Shaffer
Eric Steinbach
Orpheous Roye
LeCharles Bentley
Hank Fraley
the DB from Baltimore that tor both his knees,
Earl Holmes
Corey Williams
Shaun Rodgers
Gocong
Sheldon Brown
Rickey Dudley
Jeff Garcia 5y $50mill?
Antonio Bryant 1k yards Dallas cut him
Reuben Droughns
Trent Dilfer
Brian Russel
Kenard Lang
Derick Anderson
Joe Jurevicius
Terrelle Smith
Jamal Lewis
Robaire Smith
Ted Washington
Donta Stalworth
Willie McGinest


I think it is more of the fact we been spoiled by super active FA acquisitions

There are only 8 guys I like at all between now & 2014

Ben Tate 14
Dwayne Bowe 13
Darrel Reavis 13
Jared Allen 14
Brian Orakpo 14
Justin Smith 14
Wes Welker 13
Gregg Jennings 13
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 08, 2012 8:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah. We couldn't afford to overpay anyone with the absurd amount of cap room we are not using.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 08, 2012 8:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

roger murdock wrote:
Yeah. We couldn't afford to overpay anyone with the absurd amount of cap room we are not using.


And in three years when we have guys we want and expansions we want to offer but are saddled with crappy free agency contracts?
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 08, 2012 8:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Estonianzulu wrote:
roger murdock wrote:
Yeah. We couldn't afford to overpay anyone with the absurd amount of cap room we are not using.


And in three years when we have guys we want and expansions we want to offer but are saddled with crappy free agency contracts?


This..... Haden is going to want a big contract, Mack will get a fairly large contract.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 08, 2012 8:20 pm    Post subject: Re: OK THIS NEEDS TO BE SAID Reply with quote

thank you BocaRatonBrown1


I have never said, and I know most here, do not advocate vastly overpaying FAs or deals such Haynesworth, Williams, etc., but not every FA signing has to be about that.

But that doesnt mean sit on your hands and do nothing either.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 08, 2012 8:22 pm    Post subject: Re: OK THIS NEEDS TO BE SAID Reply with quote

Drew_Carey wrote:
thank you BocaRatonBrown1 !!


I have never said, and I know most here, do not advocate vastly overpaying FAs or deals such Haynesworth, Williams, etc., but not every FA signing has to be about that.

But that doesnt mean sit on your hands and do nothing either.


that doesnt mean you give someone more money than they are worth. and the past few years that has been the case with most FA with the exception of a few I.E. jonathan Joseph, whom it came to s and the texans to get
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 08, 2012 8:26 pm    Post subject: Re: OK THIS NEEDS TO BE SAID Reply with quote

Drew_Carey wrote:

But that doesnt mean sit on your hands and do nothing either.


Like try and sign two decent WR's only to have Washington break the bank for them to no real result?
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 08, 2012 8:29 pm    Post subject: Re: OK THIS NEEDS TO BE SAID Reply with quote

Estonianzulu wrote:
Drew_Carey wrote:

But that doesnt mean sit on your hands and do nothing either.


Like try and sign two decent WR's only to have Washington break the bank for them to no real result?


Thank you EZ. I remember everyone wanted to sign Ray Edwards to play DE for us, cost be no concern, How is that workin out for Atlanta. He is a decent player bt not worthy of the contract he got
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