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PostPosted: Mon Oct 08, 2012 6:25 pm    Post subject: Re: way too early mock Reply with quote

Drew_Carey wrote:
playing around.. had an extra few minutes sitting on the couch...


Browns: #1 pick in the draft.

Owner: Haslam
PFO: Banner
- Holmgren retires
GM: Heckert
- Heckert's draft is seem as strong enough to keep his job, however Banner makes it known that he will have his hand in Free Agency.
HC: Childress
- Steps into the HC position bring a large amount of experience, and keeps the majority of current staff in place
DC: Jauron
- Jauron's success on defense and his interest in staying at this position, keeps him in control of the defense.
OC: Kevin Sumlin
- I would love to see a more dynamic offense brought in. Sumlin's offense is a more attacking style that retains much of the current systems.




#1. QB, Geno Smith
- By far the #1 pick. With Weedon struggling to transition to the NFL game, passing on an ELITE QB prospect is not in the cards. KNEE JERK REACTION ON THE QB RDE OR CB WOULD BE MUCH BETTER. TRADE DOWN WOULD BEST OF COURSE

2nd. WR, Josh Gordon COMING ALONG BIT BY BIT

3rd. CB, Jordan Poyer TALL ATHLETIC CB. I LIKE THAT IDEA

4th. WR, Da'Rick Rogers HATE IT

5th. OG, Braden Hansen MEH

6th. RB, Chris Thompson MEH

7th. OT, LaAdrian Waddle MEH

7th. S, John Boyett MEH


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 08, 2012 6:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NickZambo wrote:
bulldog wrote:
So, because Weeden is "struggling" its an automatic that another rookie can come in and produce?

What happens if we draft Smith and he tanks the first few weeks? Draft another QB?

At the moment, if we pick one, you trade down. All day.


I am pretty sure that this is what some of our 'more seasoned' members are eluding to when they think a lot of the members here are young (no disrespect). And lemme say that opinions are opinions and I am not saying my theories are always accurate per say. But eventually when you have seriously watched the Browns for about 20+ years, you will see why this "draft, give it a year, turn it over" is just ridiculous.

Granted Brees was pretty darn good when SD traded him to New Orleans, but do you think the Chargers regret drafting Philip Rivers and trading away Drew Brees?? (and I am not comparing Brees to Weeden so hit the skids on that)

Furthermore, if Cam Newton struggles and takes the Panthers to a top 3 pick in the NFL draft next year, do you just scrap him and draft Geno or Barkley if you are Carolina?


Thats like saying the Browns, if able, should have passed on Matt Ryan and kept Brady Quinn as a starter because he had potential and the Browns shouldnt "waste" a draft pick. HAHA
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 08, 2012 6:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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NickZambo wrote:
bulldog wrote:
So, because Weeden is "struggling" its an automatic that another rookie can come in and produce?

What happens if we draft Smith and he tanks the first few weeks? Draft another QB?

At the moment, if we pick one, you trade down. All day.


I am pretty sure that this is what some of our 'more seasoned' members are eluding to when they think a lot of the members here are young (no disrespect). And lemme say that opinions are opinions and I am not saying my theories are always accurate per say. But eventually when you have seriously watched the Browns for about 20+ years, you will see why this "draft, give it a year, turn it over" is just ridiculous.

Granted Brees was pretty darn good when SD traded him to New Orleans, but do you think the Chargers regret drafting Philip Rivers and trading away Drew Brees?? (and I am not comparing Brees to Weeden so hit the skids on that)

Furthermore, if Cam Newton struggles and takes the Panthers to a top 3 pick in the NFL draft next year, do you just scrap him and draft Geno or Barkley if you are Carolina?


Thats like saying the Browns, if able, should have passed on Matt Ryan and kept Brady Quinn as a starter because he had potential and the Browns shouldnt "waste" a draft pick. HAHA


HAHA? Well I guess you could look at it that way. C'mon bro, you honestly think Quinn compares to Weeden on any level? Anyone with half of a brain can see that Weeden has more potential than Colt and Quinn and Derek Anderception combined.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 08, 2012 6:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NickZambo wrote:
Drew_Carey wrote:
NickZambo wrote:
bulldog wrote:
So, because Weeden is "struggling" its an automatic that another rookie can come in and produce?

What happens if we draft Smith and he tanks the first few weeks? Draft another QB?

At the moment, if we pick one, you trade down. All day.


I am pretty sure that this is what some of our 'more seasoned' members are eluding to when they think a lot of the members here are young (no disrespect). And lemme say that opinions are opinions and I am not saying my theories are always accurate per say. But eventually when you have seriously watched the Browns for about 20+ years, you will see why this "draft, give it a year, turn it over" is just ridiculous.

Granted Brees was pretty darn good when SD traded him to New Orleans, but do you think the Chargers regret drafting Philip Rivers and trading away Drew Brees?? (and I am not comparing Brees to Weeden so hit the skids on that)

Furthermore, if Cam Newton struggles and takes the Panthers to a top 3 pick in the NFL draft next year, do you just scrap him and draft Geno or Barkley if you are Carolina?


Thats like saying the Browns, if able, should have passed on Matt Ryan and kept Brady Quinn as a starter because he had potential and the Browns shouldnt "waste" a draft pick. HAHA


HAHA? Well I guess you could look at it that way. C'mon bro, you honestly think Quinn compared to Weeden on any level? Anyone with half of a brain can see that Weeden has more potential than Colt and Quinn and Derek Anderception combined.


As far as draft position they are extremely comparable.

As far as talent, Weedon is closer to DA than BQ, but regardless they all exhibited flaws. Does Weedon have more potential than both? I honestly dont think anyone knows that for sure.

I have nothing against Weedon. I like Weedon and he makes some great plays, but he also makes bad ones. He is young and learning. Hopefully he learns quick. If he doesnt learn quick then the Browns could be staring a the best player in the upcoming draft - a QB. If that happens its hard to feel too sorry for Weedon...
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 08, 2012 6:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Drew_Carey wrote:
NickZambo wrote:
Drew_Carey wrote:
NickZambo wrote:
bulldog wrote:
So, because Weeden is "struggling" its an automatic that another rookie can come in and produce?

What happens if we draft Smith and he tanks the first few weeks? Draft another QB?

At the moment, if we pick one, you trade down. All day.


I am pretty sure that this is what some of our 'more seasoned' members are eluding to when they think a lot of the members here are young (no disrespect). And lemme say that opinions are opinions and I am not saying my theories are always accurate per say. But eventually when you have seriously watched the Browns for about 20+ years, you will see why this "draft, give it a year, turn it over" is just ridiculous.

Granted Brees was pretty darn good when SD traded him to New Orleans, but do you think the Chargers regret drafting Philip Rivers and trading away Drew Brees?? (and I am not comparing Brees to Weeden so hit the skids on that)

Furthermore, if Cam Newton struggles and takes the Panthers to a top 3 pick in the NFL draft next year, do you just scrap him and draft Geno or Barkley if you are Carolina?


Thats like saying the Browns, if able, should have passed on Matt Ryan and kept Brady Quinn as a starter because he had potential and the Browns shouldnt "waste" a draft pick. HAHA


HAHA? Well I guess you could look at it that way. C'mon bro, you honestly think Quinn compared to Weeden on any level? Anyone with half of a brain can see that Weeden has more potential than Colt and Quinn and Derek Anderception combined.


As far as draft position they are extremely comparable.

As far as talent, Weedon is closer to DA than BQ, but regardless they all exhibited flaws. Does Weedon have more potential than both? I honestly dont think anyone knows that for sure.

I have nothing against Weedon. I like Weedon and he makes some great plays, but he also makes bad ones. He is young and learning. Hopefully he learns quick. If he doesnt learn quick then the Browns could be staring a the best player in the upcoming draft - a QB. If that happens its hard to feel too sorry for Weedon...


It's actually 'Weeden'. And I am pointing more to the fact that after merely 5 games in his career, already some Browns fans would rather us draft Geno Smith and pull the plug on Weeden. And the point bulldog is making is, IF we drafted Geno in 2013 and went 0-5, are we looking at the top QBs entering the 2014 draft?

I'm with you though, give Weeden more time and remember that there is more than just the QB you can point the finger at when it comes to our W/L record.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 08, 2012 6:48 pm    Post subject: Re: way too early mock Reply with quote

DawgSoldier wrote:
Drew_Carey wrote:

#1. QB, Geno Smith
- By far the #1 pick. With Weedon struggling to transition to the NFL game, passing on an ELITE QB prospect is not in the cards. KNEE JERK REACTION ON THE QB RDE OR CB WOULD BE MUCH BETTER. TRADE DOWN WOULD BEST OF COURSE

2nd. WR, Josh Gordon COMING ALONG BIT BY BIT

3rd. CB, Jordan Poyer TALL ATHLETIC CB. I LIKE THAT IDEA

4th. WR, Da'Rick Rogers HATE IT

5th. OG, Braden Hansen MEH

6th. RB, Chris Thompson MEH

7th. OT, LaAdrian Waddle MEH

7th. S, John Boyett MEH


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Nothing knee jerk about wanting the Browns to take the best player in the entire draft if they are in position to.

No CB rated in the top 10, not to mention top 3...

The group of DEs, as we have talked a bit in the other thread, is looking much more shaky than most thought it would at this point. Many of these guys are simply not performing. Im not sure Id be comfortable passing on BPA at the #1 pick in the draft.

trading down is always an option, but that is only realistic if Weedon performs at a high level - and if he does are the Browns picking #1??

4th
Whats to hate about Da'Rick Rogers? He is in the same mold as Little and Gordon. You dont hate those guys I assume? Its tough to gripe about a 4th round rotation/project player... You want starters here?

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"MEH" on late round picks? Id love to hear your insights....
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 08, 2012 6:54 pm    Post subject: Re: way too early mock Reply with quote

Drew_Carey wrote:
DawgSoldier wrote:
Drew_Carey wrote:

#1. QB, Geno Smith
- By far the #1 pick. With Weedon struggling to transition to the NFL game, passing on an ELITE QB prospect is not in the cards. KNEE JERK REACTION ON THE QB RDE OR CB WOULD BE MUCH BETTER. TRADE DOWN WOULD BEST OF COURSE

2nd. WR, Josh Gordon COMING ALONG BIT BY BIT

3rd. CB, Jordan Poyer TALL ATHLETIC CB. I LIKE THAT IDEA

4th. WR, Da'Rick Rogers HATE IT

5th. OG, Braden Hansen MEH

6th. RB, Chris Thompson MEH

7th. OT, LaAdrian Waddle MEH

7th. S, John Boyett MEH


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#1
Nothing knee jerk about wanting the Browns to take the best player in the entire draft if they are in position to.


So by this logic we should draft an LT to replace Joe Thomas if he is the BPA?
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 08, 2012 6:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NickZambo wrote:
Drew_Carey wrote:
NickZambo wrote:
Drew_Carey wrote:
NickZambo wrote:
bulldog wrote:
So, because Weeden is "struggling" its an automatic that another rookie can come in and produce?

What happens if we draft Smith and he tanks the first few weeks? Draft another QB?

At the moment, if we pick one, you trade down. All day.


I am pretty sure that this is what some of our 'more seasoned' members are eluding to when they think a lot of the members here are young (no disrespect). And lemme say that opinions are opinions and I am not saying my theories are always accurate per say. But eventually when you have seriously watched the Browns for about 20+ years, you will see why this "draft, give it a year, turn it over" is just ridiculous.

Granted Brees was pretty darn good when SD traded him to New Orleans, but do you think the Chargers regret drafting Philip Rivers and trading away Drew Brees?? (and I am not comparing Brees to Weeden so hit the skids on that)

Furthermore, if Cam Newton struggles and takes the Panthers to a top 3 pick in the NFL draft next year, do you just scrap him and draft Geno or Barkley if you are Carolina?


Thats like saying the Browns, if able, should have passed on Matt Ryan and kept Brady Quinn as a starter because he had potential and the Browns shouldnt "waste" a draft pick. HAHA


HAHA? Well I guess you could look at it that way. C'mon bro, you honestly think Quinn compared to Weeden on any level? Anyone with half of a brain can see that Weeden has more potential than Colt and Quinn and Derek Anderception combined.


As far as draft position they are extremely comparable.

As far as talent, Weedon is closer to DA than BQ, but regardless they all exhibited flaws. Does Weedon have more potential than both? I honestly dont think anyone knows that for sure.

I have nothing against Weedon. I like Weedon and he makes some great plays, but he also makes bad ones. He is young and learning. Hopefully he learns quick. If he doesnt learn quick then the Browns could be staring a the best player in the upcoming draft - a QB. If that happens its hard to feel too sorry for Weedon...


It's actually 'Weeden'. And I am pointing more to the fact that after merely 5 games in his career, already some Browns fans would rather us draft Geno Smith and pull the plug on Weeden. And the point bulldog is making is, IF we drafted Geno in 2013 and went 0-5, are we looking at the top QBs entering the 2014 draft?

I'm with you though, give Weeden more time and remember that there is more than just the QB you can point the finger at when it comes to our W/L record.


hahaha spelling is not my thing. Wink

Im not saying Weedon is bust or anything of that sorts, but Im not saying he is great either. He is young and learning.

But the truth is that Weeden was not the #1 pick the draft. He was the 4th QB taken. He was handed the starting job. He has performed with ups and downs. the team is now 0-5.... With potential front office and coaching changes coming, and if the the Browns are picking #1 are they going to take a long, hard look at the best player in the draft? You bet!

As for Bulldog, if Geno was drafted #1 in 2013, and the team still struggled would the Browns look at another QB in 2014? That is highly doubtful. Even with the new salary schedule, there is a HUGE difference between a #1 overall QB and the latter selected guys.

The entire team is young, and as you correctly point out there are lots of people to point the finger at.

At the very least, this all gives up some great points to discuss this football season. Very Happy



(I would like to preface this all again by repeating "it is still very early")
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 08, 2012 6:57 pm    Post subject: Re: way too early mock Reply with quote

NickZambo wrote:
Drew_Carey wrote:
DawgSoldier wrote:
Drew_Carey wrote:

#1. QB, Geno Smith
- By far the #1 pick. With Weedon struggling to transition to the NFL game, passing on an ELITE QB prospect is not in the cards. KNEE JERK REACTION ON THE QB RDE OR CB WOULD BE MUCH BETTER. TRADE DOWN WOULD BEST OF COURSE

2nd. WR, Josh Gordon COMING ALONG BIT BY BIT

3rd. CB, Jordan Poyer TALL ATHLETIC CB. I LIKE THAT IDEA

4th. WR, Da'Rick Rogers HATE IT

5th. OG, Braden Hansen MEH

6th. RB, Chris Thompson MEH

7th. OT, LaAdrian Waddle MEH

7th. S, John Boyett MEH


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#1
Nothing knee jerk about wanting the Browns to take the best player in the entire draft if they are in position to.


So by this logic we should draft an LT to replace Joe Thomas if he is the BPA?


depends upon the situation.

IF Joe was the 4th LT taken in his draft... at the end of the 1st round... 29 years old... struggled to block through out his rookie year with hot and cold spells... and the Browns were in position to draft the best player in the draft - a LT no less!!!

Yeah, maybe I would.
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If Geno tanks after 5 weeks he will be 22 years old. I dont see the comparison.
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If Geno tanks after 5 weeks he will be 22 years old. I dont see the comparison.


And Jamarcus Russell was 22 after his 5th start.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 08, 2012 7:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NickZambo wrote:
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If Geno tanks after 5 weeks he will be 22 years old. I dont see the comparison.


And Jamarcus Russell was 22 after his 5th start.



I have no idea where this is going... hahaha
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 08, 2012 7:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Drew_Carey wrote:
NickZambo wrote:
roger murdock wrote:
If Geno tanks after 5 weeks he will be 22 years old. I dont see the comparison.


And Jamarcus Russell was 22 after his 5th start.



I have no idea where this is going... hahaha


Talent is talent regardless of age. Weeden looks better at 29 in his rookie year that Jamarcus Russell (the 1st overall draft pick in 2007) did in any of his 3 or 4 year worthless career.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 08, 2012 8:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NickZambo wrote:
Drew_Carey wrote:
NickZambo wrote:
roger murdock wrote:
If Geno tanks after 5 weeks he will be 22 years old. I dont see the comparison.


And Jamarcus Russell was 22 after his 5th start.



I have no idea where this is going... hahaha


Talent is talent regardless of age. Weeden looks better at 29 in his rookie year that Jamarcus Russell (the 1st overall draft pick in 2007) did in any of his 3 or 4 year worthless career.


Oh yes hahaha. I completely agree.
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NickZambo wrote:
Drew_Carey wrote:
NickZambo wrote:
roger murdock wrote:
If Geno tanks after 5 weeks he will be 22 years old. I dont see the comparison.


And Jamarcus Russell was 22 after his 5th start.



I have no idea where this is going... hahaha


Talent is talent regardless of age. Weeden looks better at 29 in his rookie year that Jamarcus Russell (the 1st overall draft pick in 2007) did in any of his 3 or 4 year worthless career.


OK sweet. You are the one advocating patience with the QB and then you are also the one comparing struggling rookies to Jamarcus Russel, who never should have been given a rope. Whats your point? That some players are bad and some players are good? Thanks for that.
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