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SHOULD This Rule be Changed?
Yes
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 33%  [ 10 ]
No
66%
 66%  [ 20 ]
Total Votes : 30

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 07, 2012 11:58 pm    Post subject: SHOULD The Melvin Ingram Play Stand?(Poll: Prosposed Change) Reply with quote

This is not about whether or not the rulebook says yes or no. This is about SHOULD a play like this happen.

For those who did not see: Ingram comes free on a blitz and is heading in a straight line. Brees throws the ball before he gets hit. The ball is picked off and returned for a TD. But, Ingram hit him in the helmet (I disagree, but not the point here) AFTER the ball left the hands of Brees. Should a play like this stand as an interception, with a penalty from the spot of the foul/pick? Or should it have gone the way it went tonight, which was Saints' ball.

To me, it makes no sense why this is Saints ball. Ingram did not hit Brees before he threw the ball. The pressure of Brees may have caused Brees to throw a pick, but there was no contact with Brees before the ball was released. Nothing Ingram did with the hit caused the ball to be picked off, or caused Brees to even throw the ball.

What do you guys think? Should this be a rule?

NOTE: POLL QUESTION HAS TO DO WITH PROPOSED RULE CHANGE
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 08, 2012 12:01 am    Post subject: Re: SHOULD The Melvin Ingram Play Have Stood As An Int? Reply with quote

JammerHammer21 wrote:
This is not about whether or not the rulebook says yes or no. This is about SHOULD a play like this happen.

For those who did not see: Ingram comes free on a blitz and is heading in a straight line. Brees throws the ball before he gets hit. The ball is picked off and returned for a TD. But, Ingram hit him in the helmet (I disagree, but not the point here) AFTER the ball left the hands of Brees. Should a play like this stand as an interception, with a penalty from the spot of the foul/pick? Or should it have gone the way it went tonight, which was Saints' ball.

To me, it makes no sense why this is Saints ball. Ingram did not hit Brees before he threw the ball. The pressure of Brees may have caused Brees to throw a pick, but there was no contact with Brees before the ball was released. Nothing Ingram did with the hit caused the ball to be picked off, or caused Brees to even throw the ball.

What do you guys think? Should this be a rule?


The penalty occurred when it was still legally Saints ball. The line has to be drawn somewhere, and that seems like by far the most logical place.

I'm assuming this is the case, anyway, from the way you described it.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 08, 2012 12:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm confused about the poll question. Is yes for the rule that exists or the rule you propose?
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 08, 2012 12:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

bbllstr22 wrote:
I'm confused about the poll question. Is yes for the rule that exists or the rule you propose?


Sorry, should the proposed rule be the one that exists?
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 08, 2012 12:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

JammerHammer21 wrote:
bbllstr22 wrote:
I'm confused about the poll question. Is yes for the rule that exists or the rule you propose?


Sorry, should the proposed rule be the one that exists?


You might as well start again. The poll is going to be completely unreliable because of this.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 08, 2012 12:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 08, 2012 12:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think it should be an interception, but 15 yards or whatever taken off for the Chargers.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 08, 2012 12:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

To any mod: Can you change the Poll Question to: "Should there be a rule change?"
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 08, 2012 12:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

How would you do the yardage? I can't think of any way of doing it that follows any precedent set by other penalties.
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Sciz wrote:
How would you do the yardage? I can't think of any way of doing it that follows any precedent set by other penalties.


Penalty from spot of pick perhaps. That's the trickiest part, because you couldn't do from where the QB was hit.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 08, 2012 12:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Too much discretion to the refs if you change it. When did the hit occur? Before or after the ball was gone. They already have a hard enough time with calls like PI.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 08, 2012 12:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jsnydes wrote:
Too much discretion to the refs if you change it. When did the hit occur? Before or after the ball was gone. They already have a hard enough time with calls like PI.

Do you only throw a flag if the ball isn't caught?
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Sciz wrote:
How would you do the yardage? I can't think of any way of doing it that follows any precedent set by other penalties.


Well, if their going to tack on the roughing the passer to a completed pass then i say they do it from the spot of the interception return. The only problem there is an INT for a TD, then i'd say take it from the spot of the foul. But itd be too hard to change it that way.
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bucsfan333 wrote:
jsnydes wrote:
Too much discretion to the refs if you change it. When did the hit occur? Before or after the ball was gone. They already have a hard enough time with calls like PI.

Do you only throw a flag if the ball isn't caught?


The flag could still be thrown. However, if it is a pick, there's no good reason for there to be no interception.
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JammerHammer21 wrote:
bucsfan333 wrote:
jsnydes wrote:
Too much discretion to the refs if you change it. When did the hit occur? Before or after the ball was gone. They already have a hard enough time with calls like PI.

Do you only throw a flag if the ball isn't caught?


The flag could still be thrown. However, if it is a pick, there's no good reason for there to be no interception.

Except that the penalty negates the play.
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