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mistakebytehlak
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| Mossburg wrote: | | mistakebytehlak wrote: | | Mossburg wrote: | | mistakebytehlak wrote: | | Mossburg wrote: | | mistakebytehlak wrote: | | Mossburg wrote: | | mistakebytehlak wrote: | | Mossburg wrote: | | The only thing special about Alxander was durability, a lot of which was him avoiding taking big hits, which may or may not be a good thing if you're talking RBs. |
Yeah I mean other than the fact that he's tied for 7th in ALL TIME RUSHING TDs with 100. Only durability got him there.
Oh, in 9 seasons- three less than marshall faulk, who he's tied with. |
Ummm yea, that's durability and consistently playing for an offense that puts him in a position to score (to which he of course contributed). You act like he was a one man army his entire career like Chris Johnson 2 years ago. |
And you act like he was a chump, which was far and away not the case |
He was a good RB whose stats were amplified by his surroundings. Nothing more, nothing less. Like I said, he has those stats largely in part because he was great at not taking big hits, so he had a long and productive career unlike most other RBs.
There's absolutely nothing special about him as a RB. If you want to say he had a special career, I might buy. But a lot of that was not due to his own abilities. |
He had a good QB, and two great players on the left side of the line. Other than that the rest of the SEA offense was pretty much mediocre. Unless if you thought Jerramy Stevens was tight. Darrell Jackson! WORLD BEATER. |
Seattle always had a very productive offense under Holmgren, no reason to deny that. |
...which had nothing to do with the ultra productive ultra talented Shaun Alexander, right? |
I said he contributed to it. But his cast amplified his production. No better example than his "MVP" season. |
No, you said the only thing that got him to where he was today was his durability.
Additionally, the dude had 27 TDs.
Had just broken the record for Rushing TDs in a season.
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Mossburg
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| Posted: Sun Oct 07, 2012 4:27 pm Post subject: |
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Played possibly the easiest schedule in NFL history at a time where his team was peaking. They played in the worst division, they played the AFC's worst division, and correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe they also played the NFC 2nd worst division in the NFC rotation.
The team also had no problem overcoming his loss in the 1st quarter of the divisional playoff game against the Skins.
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J Pep 4 Step
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| Posted: Sun Oct 07, 2012 4:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Mossburg wrote: | | mistakebytehlak wrote: | | Mossburg wrote: | | mistakebytehlak wrote: | | Mossburg wrote: | | mistakebytehlak wrote: | | Mossburg wrote: | | mistakebytehlak wrote: | | Mossburg wrote: | | The only thing special about Alxander was durability, a lot of which was him avoiding taking big hits, which may or may not be a good thing if you're talking RBs. |
Yeah I mean other than the fact that he's tied for 7th in ALL TIME RUSHING TDs with 100. Only durability got him there.
Oh, in 9 seasons- three less than marshall faulk, who he's tied with. |
Ummm yea, that's durability and consistently playing for an offense that puts him in a position to score (to which he of course contributed). You act like he was a one man army his entire career like Chris Johnson 2 years ago. |
And you act like he was a chump, which was far and away not the case |
He was a good RB whose stats were amplified by his surroundings. Nothing more, nothing less. Like I said, he has those stats largely in part because he was great at not taking big hits, so he had a long and productive career unlike most other RBs.
There's absolutely nothing special about him as a RB. If you want to say he had a special career, I might buy. But a lot of that was not due to his own abilities. |
He had a good QB, and two great players on the left side of the line. Other than that the rest of the SEA offense was pretty much mediocre. Unless if you thought Jerramy Stevens was tight. Darrell Jackson! WORLD BEATER. |
Seattle always had a very productive offense under Holmgren, no reason to deny that. |
...which had nothing to do with the ultra productive ultra talented Shaun Alexander, right? |
I said he contributed to it. But his cast amplified his production. No better example than his "MVP" season. |
Why is MVP in quotation marks? He had a legitimate MVP season. He played very well that season and led the NFL in pretty much every significant rushing stat.
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Mossburg
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| Posted: Sun Oct 07, 2012 4:30 pm Post subject: |
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^^^See post above.
Brady, your boy Smitty, and Tiki Barber were way more deserving.
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Tooki
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| Posted: Sun Oct 07, 2012 7:41 pm Post subject: |
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| mistakebytehlak wrote: | | Tooki wrote: | Alexander was a good RB
Marshawn pre-injuries had the potential to be be special. Behind our line? He would be running at DB's all game long. |
Alexander was special.
Marshawn isn't.
How hard is this for seattle fans to understand? |
Alexander wasn't special. He was a pretty decent back, but he is nowhere near the special conversation. S-Jax was a special back in his prime. Frank Gore was a special back in his prime.
And I'm talking about Marshawn BEFORE THE INJURIES. He was just as powerful as he is now, with 4.4 speed. His only issue now is his lack of a finishing gear.
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J Pep 4 Step
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| Posted: Sun Oct 07, 2012 7:43 pm Post subject: |
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| Mossburg wrote: | ^^^See post above.
Brady, your boy Smitty, and Tiki Barber were way more deserving. |
Oh please. MVP is a numbers game. Alexander clearly had the numbers. Lets not overthink the award.
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justo
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| Posted: Sun Oct 07, 2012 7:47 pm Post subject: |
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Favorite play of my most hated fan base. Overrated.
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Tooki
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| Posted: Sun Oct 07, 2012 7:51 pm Post subject: |
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| J Pep 4 Step wrote: | | Mossburg wrote: | ^^^See post above.
Brady, your boy Smitty, and Tiki Barber were way more deserving. |
Oh please. MVP is a numbers game. Alexander clearly had the numbers. Lets not overthink the award. |
Alexander deserved the MVP.
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GaTechRavens
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| Posted: Sun Oct 07, 2012 8:00 pm Post subject: |
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| Mossburg wrote: | ^^^See post above.
Brady, your boy Smitty, and Tiki Barber were way more deserving. |
If Jones and Hutch were responsible for Alexander's success, one of them deserves the MVP. Not Brady or any of those guys.
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Mossburg
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| Posted: Sun Oct 07, 2012 8:10 pm Post subject: |
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| J Pep 4 Step wrote: | | Mossburg wrote: | ^^^See post above.
Brady, your boy Smitty, and Tiki Barber were way more deserving. |
Oh please. MVP is a numbers game. Alexander clearly had the numbers. Lets not overthink the award. |
It's a numbers game, yet Peter King argued Manning's value to a team in another year.
MVP has no consistency.
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Mossburg
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| Posted: Sun Oct 07, 2012 8:11 pm Post subject: |
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| GaTechRavens wrote: | | Mossburg wrote: | ^^^See post above.
Brady, your boy Smitty, and Tiki Barber were way more deserving. |
If Jones and Hutch were responsible for Alexander's success, one of them deserves the MVP. Not Brady or any of those guys. |
Or the schedule maker Gods?
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J Pep 4 Step
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| Posted: Sun Oct 07, 2012 8:14 pm Post subject: |
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| Mossburg wrote: | | J Pep 4 Step wrote: | | Mossburg wrote: | ^^^See post above.
Brady, your boy Smitty, and Tiki Barber were way more deserving. |
Oh please. MVP is a numbers game. Alexander clearly had the numbers. Lets not overthink the award. |
It's a numbers game, yet Peter King argued Manning's value to a team in another year.
MVP has no consistency. |
It's an irrelevant award. To be perfectly honest.
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SaveourSonics
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| Posted: Sun Oct 07, 2012 8:17 pm Post subject: |
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| mistakebytehlak wrote: | | SaveourSonics wrote: | | mistakebytehlak wrote: | That's what I'm saying. That you're being a 2012 Seattle Seahawks homer just so you can pimp Marshawn Lynch.
Shawn Alexander was one of the best I've ever seen at sifting through defenders. He had great vision, and he was a great player.
Way better player than marshawn lynch who gives up on his team (COUGH BUFFALO) and simply isn't as good as you make him out to be. |
Oh, so now there are different genres of homerism?  I'm being a 2012 homer now
Shaun was great, I'm not debating that. But Lynch is better and you're clearly being influenced purely by numbers and your weird hate for the Seahawks (or the way I "pimp" them, apparently). Not sure what Lynch quiting on Buffalo has to do with his time spent as a Seahawk where he's been nothing but a great teammate. He is as good as I'm making him out to be, but you refuse to actually digest anything I'm saying because your agenda is cemented. |
Dude, you pimped Ricardo Lockette and Pete Carroll harder than anyone. This is why I disregard anything you say in regards to the 2012 Seahawks. |
Oh man, I'm so sorry. I must be the only fan on this continent to pimp a player and coach. Woe is me.
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| Posted: Sun Oct 07, 2012 8:19 pm Post subject: |
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Looked like a Hall of Famer when he retired.
Now.......no?
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| Posted: Sun Oct 07, 2012 8:21 pm Post subject: |
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Shaun Alexander: The ultimate example of the Madden Curse
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