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 Posted: Sat Oct 06, 2012 2:16 am Post subject: How will people remember Shaun Alexander? |
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Spin off of the other thread. Not as flukey as LJ, but definitely has a wide array of opinions about him
Whats your opinion? How will you remember him? |
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He was back stabbed 
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james.mcmurry13
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| steelcurtain29 wrote: | | He was a pretty good back, but his epic lineman made him a star. |
I agree with this. He was definitely a good RB, but he was made to look great and even elite for several years by a line riddled with hall of famers.
Very good back still, not just anyone could've done what he did (even with the line), but pretty irrelevant on an all-time scale.
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He'll be forgotten quickly IMO. His record was passed so quickly by LT, he won't really be remembered for it. Those who do remember will probably say more about Walter Jones and Steve Hutchinson than Alexander.
IMO he was a lot like Curtis Martin. Didn't have true breakaway speed, but was very shifty and never put himself in position to take hard hits (I mean that in a good way). |
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in the long run he wont be remembered
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| james.mcmurry13 wrote: | | steelcurtain29 wrote: | | He was a pretty good back, but his epic lineman made him a star. |
I agree with this. He was definitely a good RB, but he was made to look great and even elite for several years by a line riddled with hall of famers.
Very good back still, not just anyone could've done what he did (even with the line), but pretty irrelevant on an all-time scale. |
Riddled with HOFers? They had Hutch and Jones. Not really riddled.
His OL was great but he's, imo, a better player then he's remembered to be.
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Pretty much all the physical traits you could want in a running back IIRC. Powerful, ran low, good balance, really agile for his size, with speed to burn.
Give a guy with those physical tools a line that opens up big holes, and you get fireworks.
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| Posted: Sat Oct 06, 2012 2:52 am Post subject: |
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| jrry32 wrote: | | james.mcmurry13 wrote: | | steelcurtain29 wrote: | | He was a pretty good back, but his epic lineman made him a star. |
I agree with this. He was definitely a good RB, but he was made to look great and even elite for several years by a line riddled with hall of famers.
Very good back still, not just anyone could've done what he did (even with the line), but pretty irrelevant on an all-time scale. |
Riddled with HOFers? They had Hutch and Jones. Not really riddled.
His OL was great but he's, imo, a better player then he's remembered to be. |
Its 2:45 AM, so 40% can mean riddled But yeah, definitely not "riddled" the way the Chiefs OL was for a while.
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| Jetsman82 wrote: | He'll be forgotten quickly IMO. His record was passed so quickly by LT, he won't really be remembered for it. Those who do remember will probably say more about Walter Jones and Steve Hutchinson than Alexander.
IMO he was a lot like Curtis Martin. Didn't have true breakaway speed, but was very shifty and never put himself in position to take hard hits (I mean that in a good way). |
I would disagree with the notion that Alexander didn't have a breakaway gear. He could outrun defensive backs with angles. Not CJ2K fast but well faster than Curtis Martin.
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I think he'll be remembered as a good back for the Seahawks, a definite ring of honor (or whatever they call it there) type player. But he's not a HOF back. He only had 5 good-elite years, so he didn't have the longevity you look for.
He wasn't a dual threat back, so as time goes on- his value historically will be viewed as even less in leagues that ask their RBs to be more and more versatile. Really, I'd put him in the same category as Jamal Lewis and Priest Holmes historically. Lewis was the more punishing back and had the better longevity and his peak season was up there with Alexander's peak season, but otherwise looked inferior. Holmes played behind the better line, had the much shorter prime/career, but was explosive and was a dual threat back... which will only become more and more valued as time goes along.
But that being said, Alexander never really had anything to his running style that will make him memorable. You'll remember Holmes as a guy with ankle break moves and Lewis as a guy who could plow through metal... so while Alexander- during the time- was a better back, might not be remember as better in the longhaul. Especially with how he looked like he gave up towards the end of his career... he looked not too dissimilar to how CJ2k looks now.
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Tough runner, smart and consistent thru his prime. A really good back.
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Ill remember him as a guy who won an MVP while racking up tons of rushing yards from 01-05, then got himself a massive 8 year contract in IIRC 2006, then had an amazingly unproductive year for his standards, then quickly got cut by Seattle, then ended up in Washington.. and I had to look up how terrible he was in Washington.. he only got 11 touches in 4 games with the Skins.. and then subsequently literally fell off the face of the earth and was never heard from again.. until tonight when I saw this thread.
So in a quick synopsis.. the guy had a huge 5 seasons in Seattle where he put up stupid numbers while also winning himself an MVP award, signed a monster 8 year deal, which was followed by 2 terrible seasons, and was then never heard from ever again. Rags to Riches, and super quickly back to Rags.
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| diamondbull424 wrote: | I think he'll be remembered as a good back for the Seahawks, a definite ring of honor (or whatever they call it there) type player. But he's not a HOF back. He only had 5 good-elite years, so he didn't have the longevity you look for.
He wasn't a dual threat back, so as time goes on- his value historically will be viewed as even less in leagues that ask their RBs to be more and more versatile. Really, I'd put him in the same category as Jamal Lewis and Priest Holmes historically. Lewis was the more punishing back and had the better longevity and his peak season was up there with Alexander's peak season, but otherwise looked inferior. Holmes played behind the better line, had the much shorter prime/career, but was explosive and was a dual threat back... which will only become more and more valued as time goes along.
But that being said, Alexander never really had anything to his running style that will make him memorable. You'll remember Holmes as a guy with ankle break moves and Lewis as a guy who could plow through metal... so while Alexander- during the time- was a better back, might not be remember as better in the longhaul. Especially with how he looked like he gave up towards the end of his career... he looked not too dissimilar to how CJ2k looks now. |
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| mozwanted wrote: | | diamondbull424 wrote: | I think he'll be remembered as a good back for the Seahawks, a definite ring of honor (or whatever they call it there) type player. But he's not a HOF back. He only had 5 good-elite years, so he didn't have the longevity you look for.
He wasn't a dual threat back, so as time goes on- his value historically will be viewed as even less in leagues that ask their RBs to be more and more versatile. Really, I'd put him in the same category as Jamal Lewis and Priest Holmes historically. Lewis was the more punishing back and had the better longevity and his peak season was up there with Alexander's peak season, but otherwise looked inferior. Holmes played behind the better line, had the much shorter prime/career, but was explosive and was a dual threat back... which will only become more and more valued as time goes along.
But that being said, Alexander never really had anything to his running style that will make him memorable. You'll remember Holmes as a guy with ankle break moves and Lewis as a guy who could plow through metal... so while Alexander- during the time- was a better back, might not be remember as better in the longhaul. Especially with how he looked like he gave up towards the end of his career... he looked not too dissimilar to how CJ2k looks now. |
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But how often are people more impressed by a nice cutback as opposed to an ankle breaking move or a RB breaking 8 tackles on a TD scoring play? And it's not like other RBs didn't have comparable vision... or in LTs case, better vision.
Really though, the reality is that many people who saw Alexander play will likely remember him as a guy that gave up after getting paid. That lack of effort will forever tarnish his ability in his prime.
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