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NCOUGHMAN


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 05, 2012 4:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dessie wrote:
NCOUGHMAN wrote:
Darkness wrote:
big_palooka wrote:
I remember reading this leading up to the draft because many though KC would take McClain:

http://www.rollbamaroll.com/2010/3/28/1394238/rolando-mcclain-crappy-tackler

At the time, I didn't think McClain a slow MLB would be on Davis's radar, so I didn't ay it much attention except that a division rival might take him. But then when he was drafted, I tried to ignore it and hope for the best.

These guys were dead on:

Quote:
"He isnt that good and most scouts know it. He has a good head on him but he is a below average tackler and way below average speed... [KC GM Scott] Pioli isnt going to take a diseased LB with mediocore tape." -


Quote:
"The guy looks slow at times. His tackling isnít nearly solid enough for a top 10 pick (he seems to rely more on strength than technique). His effort and ability to be an elite LB has been questioned by NFL scouts. Oh, and he has an incurable, debilitating disease." -


Many thought the Broncos and Giants would take him as well.

The funny thing is had Al Davis drafted JPP, everyone would have laughed, saying typical Al Davis pick. If only... Sad


thats one thing i liked about al. still dont know why he picked rolo i didnt think he was fast enough for a top ten pick.


I still say MLB is not worth a top 10 pick Wink


yes i know i know Cool
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Dessie


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 06, 2012 4:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

holyghost wrote:
Dessie wrote:
NCOUGHMAN wrote:
Darkness wrote:
big_palooka wrote:
I remember reading this leading up to the draft because many though KC would take McClain:

http://www.rollbamaroll.com/2010/3/28/1394238/rolando-mcclain-crappy-tackler

At the time, I didn't think McClain a slow MLB would be on Davis's radar, so I didn't ay it much attention except that a division rival might take him. But then when he was drafted, I tried to ignore it and hope for the best.

These guys were dead on:

Quote:
"He isnt that good and most scouts know it. He has a good head on him but he is a below average tackler and way below average speed... [KC GM Scott] Pioli isnt going to take a diseased LB with mediocore tape." -


Quote:
"The guy looks slow at times. His tackling isnít nearly solid enough for a top 10 pick (he seems to rely more on strength than technique). His effort and ability to be an elite LB has been questioned by NFL scouts. Oh, and he has an incurable, debilitating disease." -


Many thought the Broncos and Giants would take him as well.

The funny thing is had Al Davis drafted JPP, everyone would have laughed, saying typical Al Davis pick. If only... Sad


thats one thing i liked about al. still dont know why he picked rolo i didnt think he was fast enough for a top ten pick.


I still say MLB is not worth a top 10 pick Wink


Maybe in general.
But all of that is so overrated.

If you think you can draft a Ray Lewis, Patrick Willis, Steve Hutchinson... i.e. guys at lesser positions who turn out to be fantastic players, well then who really cares what the position is?

It's good to have a general set of rules in place, but if I knew the guy I was getting would be as successful as Patrick Willis, I wouldn't hesitate to burn the first pick in the draft on the guy.


I am not so worried about what position we pick next year. I'm more concerned that we finally hit on a pick, rather than blowing it as usual on a guy who doesn't make the team any better.

Let's look at our past first rounders and have a good cry.

McClain
Heyward Bey
McFadden
Russell
Huff
Washington
Gallery
Asomugha
Brayton
Buchanon
Harris
Gibson
Janikowski
Stinchcomb
Woodson
Collins
Russell
Dudley
Kaufman

Back to '95, since we moved to Oakland.

3 great players, only one of which we still have and the one we have is both struggling and injury prone in a short lived position. It's disgusting. From the new regime I'll take a guy at any position who pans out to be an impact player. I don't care if it's a Guard or a goddamn Fullback, as long as it's a All Pro guard or fullback. It's better than what we've done...


I would agree with that just that I have always said 4-3 LBs are not worth a high pick as they are not playmakers. Willis plays in a 3-4 scheme where the LBs are the playmakers.

Also been a regular discussion with NCOUGHMAN since we had an epic thread on taking Rey Maualuga at #7 Shocked Wink
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In my opinion they are a joke. In the last ten years there drafts sucked.
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bitty


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 06, 2012 6:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dessie wrote:
holyghost wrote:
Dessie wrote:
NCOUGHMAN wrote:
Darkness wrote:
big_palooka wrote:
I remember reading this leading up to the draft because many though KC would take McClain:

http://www.rollbamaroll.com/2010/3/28/1394238/rolando-mcclain-crappy-tackler

At the time, I didn't think McClain a slow MLB would be on Davis's radar, so I didn't ay it much attention except that a division rival might take him. But then when he was drafted, I tried to ignore it and hope for the best.

These guys were dead on:

Quote:
"He isnt that good and most scouts know it. He has a good head on him but he is a below average tackler and way below average speed... [KC GM Scott] Pioli isnt going to take a diseased LB with mediocore tape." -


Quote:
"The guy looks slow at times. His tackling isnít nearly solid enough for a top 10 pick (he seems to rely more on strength than technique). His effort and ability to be an elite LB has been questioned by NFL scouts. Oh, and he has an incurable, debilitating disease." -


Many thought the Broncos and Giants would take him as well.

The funny thing is had Al Davis drafted JPP, everyone would have laughed, saying typical Al Davis pick. If only... Sad


thats one thing i liked about al. still dont know why he picked rolo i didnt think he was fast enough for a top ten pick.


I still say MLB is not worth a top 10 pick Wink


Maybe in general.
But all of that is so overrated.

If you think you can draft a Ray Lewis, Patrick Willis, Steve Hutchinson... i.e. guys at lesser positions who turn out to be fantastic players, well then who really cares what the position is?

It's good to have a general set of rules in place, but if I knew the guy I was getting would be as successful as Patrick Willis, I wouldn't hesitate to burn the first pick in the draft on the guy.


I am not so worried about what position we pick next year. I'm more concerned that we finally hit on a pick, rather than blowing it as usual on a guy who doesn't make the team any better.

Let's look at our past first rounders and have a good cry.

McClain
Heyward Bey
McFadden
Russell
Huff
Washington
Gallery
Asomugha
Brayton
Buchanon
Harris
Gibson
Janikowski
Stinchcomb
Woodson
Collins
Russell
Dudley
Kaufman

Back to '95, since we moved to Oakland.

3 great players, only one of which we still have and the one we have is both struggling and injury prone in a short lived position. It's disgusting. From the new regime I'll take a guy at any position who pans out to be an impact player. I don't care if it's a Guard or a goddamn Fullback, as long as it's a All Pro guard or fullback. It's better than what we've done...


I would agree with that just that I have always said 4-3 LBs are not worth a high pick as they are not playmakers. Willis plays in a 3-4 scheme where the LBs are the playmakers.

Also been a regular discussion with NCOUGHMAN since we had an epic thread on taking Rey Maualuga at #7 Shocked Wink


I do think that the constant changing of coaches stunted some players development.
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Baggabonez


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 06, 2012 6:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

holyghost wrote:
Dessie wrote:
NCOUGHMAN wrote:
Darkness wrote:
big_palooka wrote:
I remember reading this leading up to the draft because many though KC would take McClain:

http://www.rollbamaroll.com/2010/3/28/1394238/rolando-mcclain-crappy-tackler

At the time, I didn't think McClain a slow MLB would be on Davis's radar, so I didn't ay it much attention except that a division rival might take him. But then when he was drafted, I tried to ignore it and hope for the best.

These guys were dead on:

Quote:
"He isnt that good and most scouts know it. He has a good head on him but he is a below average tackler and way below average speed... [KC GM Scott] Pioli isnt going to take a diseased LB with mediocore tape." -


Quote:
"The guy looks slow at times. His tackling isnít nearly solid enough for a top 10 pick (he seems to rely more on strength than technique). His effort and ability to be an elite LB has been questioned by NFL scouts. Oh, and he has an incurable, debilitating disease." -


Many thought the Broncos and Giants would take him as well.

The funny thing is had Al Davis drafted JPP, everyone would have laughed, saying typical Al Davis pick. If only... Sad


thats one thing i liked about al. still dont know why he picked rolo i didnt think he was fast enough for a top ten pick.


I still say MLB is not worth a top 10 pick Wink


Maybe in general.
But all of that is so overrated.

If you think you can draft a Ray Lewis, Patrick Willis, Steve Hutchinson... i.e. guys at lesser positions who turn out to be fantastic players, well then who really cares what the position is?

It's good to have a general set of rules in place, but if I knew the guy I was getting would be as successful as Patrick Willis, I wouldn't hesitate to burn the first pick in the draft on the guy.


I am not so worried about what position we pick next year. I'm more concerned that we finally hit on a pick, rather than blowing it as usual on a guy who doesn't make the team any better.

Let's look at our past first rounders and have a good cry.

McClain
Heyward Bey
McFadden
Russell
Huff
Washington
Gallery
Asomugha
Brayton
Buchanon
Harris
Gibson
Janikowski
Stinchcomb
Woodson
Collins
Russell
Dudley
Kaufman

Back to '95, since we moved to Oakland.

3 great players, only one of which we still have and the one we have is both struggling and injury prone in a short lived position. It's disgusting. From the new regime I'll take a guy at any position who pans out to be an impact player. I don't care if it's a Guard or a goddamn Fullback, as long as it's a All Pro guard or fullback. It's better than what we've done...


If you really wanna get depressed compare the teams needs at the time vs. what we drafted throughout the years. (ie. Huff over Ngata, who most of us wanted)
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