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Bohlmann20


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 03, 2012 6:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

candyman93 wrote:
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Since when has Benard Pollard "been a beast?"


When? Patriots games. Cool

Honestly, I can't think of any team worse than the Colts as far as talent goes. They just lack so much talent on defense relative to all other teams. Good thing for them they have other things besides talent.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 03, 2012 6:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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This thread makes my head sad for numerous reasons and probably not the reasons you would think.


Not enough love for Anger?
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 03, 2012 6:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Since when has Benard Pollard "been a beast?"


Since about the middle of last year, he's the perfect complement to Ed Reed and thrives as a pure strong safety. He's been playing as well as anyone on the defense.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 03, 2012 6:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is what I said in another thread:
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Mike Tannenbaum needs to go. The Jets arguably have the least talent in the league. It's a shame because the Jets were one of the best teams in the league a couple years ago. Now their destined for a top 10 pick and are a talent depleted team.

And I stand by that. The Jets are a team that does not have a QB, RB, receivers, or any good pass rushers. That's a very bad mix. Other than a few guys like D'Brick, Mangold, Pouha, David Harris, Revis, and Cromartie, this team lacks talented players. Revis is the only true playmaker.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 03, 2012 7:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

chris00cm wrote:
This is what I said in another thread:
chris00cm wrote:
Mike Tannenbaum needs to go. The Jets arguably have the least talent in the league. It's a shame because the Jets were one of the best teams in the league a couple years ago. Now their destined for a top 10 pick and are a talent depleted team.

And I stand by that. The Jets are a team that does not have a QB, RB, receivers, or any good pass rushers. That's a very bad mix. Other than a few guys like D'Brick, Mangold, Pouha, David Harris, Revis, and Cromartie, this team lacks talented players. Revis is the only true playmaker.


I agree. And he's not exactly been good for their cap either.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 03, 2012 7:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

candyman93 wrote:
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Since when has Benard Pollard "been a beast?"


Pollard is actually a really good SS when used correctly. He's an old school SS and you have to recognize his limitations but when put in the proper role, he can definitely succeed. The team just needs a center-fielder type FS.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 03, 2012 7:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Rams
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HighMotorGuy wrote:
The Rams


Offensively, yes. But the Rams defense and STs more than makes up for it.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 03, 2012 7:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

chris00cm wrote:
This is what I said in another thread:
chris00cm wrote:
Mike Tannenbaum needs to go. The Jets arguably have the least talent in the league. It's a shame because the Jets were one of the best teams in the league a couple years ago. Now their destined for a top 10 pick and are a talent depleted team.

And I stand by that. The Jets are a team that does not have a QB, RB, receivers, or any good pass rushers. That's a very bad mix. Other than a few guys like D'Brick, Mangold, Pouha, David Harris, Revis, and Cromartie, this team lacks talented players. Revis is the only true playmaker.


I agree the Jets aren't oozing with talent, but there are plenty of teams with less talent. The offense does not have much talent outside of Ferguson, Mangold, Keller, and a few young WRs. However, the DL and and secondary has a ton of talent. Revis, Cromartie, and Wilson are the best trios of corners in the NFL and LaRon Landry has been playing at the level he did when he was with Washington. The linebackers are pretty poor, outside of David Harris. The DL, despite some shaky performances this season, has a ton of talent. Sione Pouha is a top NT, who will be replaced by Kenrick Ellis in a season or two. Muhammad Wilkerson had a very good rookie season has looked very good against the run this season. Quinton Coples has also flashed a lot of talent in his limited snaps. The DL of Wilkerson-Ellis-Coples will be among the best in the league in a few years.


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 03, 2012 7:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jrry32 wrote:
I agree. And he's not exactly been good for their cap either.

Huh?

There are Jets fans arguing that Tannenbaum should be fired because the ONLY thing he does well is manage the cap. In fact, some fans have nicknamed him the "General Accountant" because of that.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 03, 2012 7:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

green24 wrote:
jrry32 wrote:
I agree. And he's not exactly been good for their cap either.

Huh?

There are Jets fans arguing that Tannenbaum should be fired because the ONLY thing he does well is manage the cap. In fact, some fans have nicknamed him the "General Accountant" because of that.


I heard the same argument during the last off-season and it didn't do anything for me. Tannenbaum continually pushing money into future years and giving out all this money to aging vets had put the Jets in an unsustainable cap situation which has helped create the mess they are currently in and has a few bad contracts currently on their book.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 03, 2012 7:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jrry32 wrote:
green24 wrote:
jrry32 wrote:
I agree. And he's not exactly been good for their cap either.

Huh?

There are Jets fans arguing that Tannenbaum should be fired because the ONLY thing he does well is manage the cap. In fact, some fans have nicknamed him the "General Accountant" because of that.


I heard the same argument during the last off-season and it didn't do anything for me. Tannenbaum continually pushing money into future years and giving out all this money to aging vets had put the Jets in an unsustainable cap situation which has helped create the mess they are currently in and has a few bad contracts currently on their book.


How is it an unsustainable cap situation?

Poor drafting and moves that didnt pay off is the reason they are in the position they are in.

I always thought he was pretty overrated, but their cap situation has little to nothing to do with their current "mess". If Sanchez was playing like a top 5 pick should and Holmes performed the way he did in Pittsburgh, the entire team would look different.

Blame poor TEAM management...not so much the cap.
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FourThreeMafia wrote:
jrry32 wrote:
green24 wrote:
jrry32 wrote:
I agree. And he's not exactly been good for their cap either.

Huh?

There are Jets fans arguing that Tannenbaum should be fired because the ONLY thing he does well is manage the cap. In fact, some fans have nicknamed him the "General Accountant" because of that.


I heard the same argument during the last off-season and it didn't do anything for me. Tannenbaum continually pushing money into future years and giving out all this money to aging vets had put the Jets in an unsustainable cap situation which has helped create the mess they are currently in and has a few bad contracts currently on their book.


How is it an unsustainable cap situation?

Poor drafting and moves that didnt pay off is the reason they are in the position they are in.

I always thought he was pretty overrated, but their cap situation has little to nothing to do with their current "mess". If Sanchez was playing like a top 5 pick should and Holmes performed the way he did in Pittsburgh, the entire team would look different.

Blame poor TEAM management...not so much the cap.


Getting under the cap by pushing money into next year is unsustainable. Especially when you're doing it year after year.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 03, 2012 8:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jrry32 wrote:
FourThreeMafia wrote:
jrry32 wrote:
green24 wrote:
jrry32 wrote:
I agree. And he's not exactly been good for their cap either.

Huh?

There are Jets fans arguing that Tannenbaum should be fired because the ONLY thing he does well is manage the cap. In fact, some fans have nicknamed him the "General Accountant" because of that.


I heard the same argument during the last off-season and it didn't do anything for me. Tannenbaum continually pushing money into future years and giving out all this money to aging vets had put the Jets in an unsustainable cap situation which has helped create the mess they are currently in and has a few bad contracts currently on their book.


How is it an unsustainable cap situation?

Poor drafting and moves that didnt pay off is the reason they are in the position they are in.

I always thought he was pretty overrated, but their cap situation has little to nothing to do with their current "mess". If Sanchez was playing like a top 5 pick should and Holmes performed the way he did in Pittsburgh, the entire team would look different.

Blame poor TEAM management...not so much the cap.


Getting under the cap by pushing money into next year is unsustainable. Especially when you're doing it year after year.


Cowboys and Redskins made a living off doing this.

Everyone always claimed they were in cap hell, yet they still always made moves....albeit usually poor ones.

The Jets cap situation may not look pretty, but they'll be just fine in that regard.

Its the bringing in talent itself which is the real mess, esepcially on offense.
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FourThreeMafia wrote:


Cowboys and Redskins made a living off doing this.


They aren't exactly the standard for cap competence.

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Everyone always claimed they were in cap hell, yet they still always made moves....albeit usually poor ones.

The Jets cap situation may not look pretty, but they'll be just fine in that regard.

Its the bringing in talent itself which is the real mess, esepcially on offense.


They have quite a few bad contracts on the books and a whole lot of money tied up in the wrong players. They'll be fine if they can effectively bring in young, cheap talent but if not, they're going to stink for a good while.
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