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green24


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 05, 2012 4:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Flaccomania wrote:
green24 wrote:
footy_29 wrote:
FourThreeMafia: If you have large contracts that you have restructured multiple times, you will have issues. The Jets share some similarity with the 2005-2007 Redskins from the standpoint of poor drafting and consistent restructuring of deals to get under the cap. You need both of these things to engage the perfect storm. I do not think the Jets are in as dire shape as the Redskins were because the Redskins kept signing major contracts, while the Jets have seemed to relent (Sanchez as an exception).

The Redskins were able to make it work because they had a cap guru in their employ (Eric Schaeffer), but successful manipulation of the cap figure served to embolden the FO, which in turn led to a colossally bad free agent (Fat Al). Fat Al's contract was a bit of an exception as the Redskins had crossed over the hump, and many of their contracts were off the books. Nevertheless, the restructurings were still impacting the roster composition, including Jansen, Samuels, Portis, S.Moss. Not to forget that there was significant dead cap from Sean Taylor, Brandon Lloyd, Cornelius Griffin, Marcus Washington, etc.

The product was unsustainable, and they were able to get out of a consistent cycle of restructuring (the only thing they could do each year to get under the cap) because they planned for the lockout. With the lockout, they were able to capitalize - they could wipe the dead cap off the books, and rid themselves of players who survived to that point because of previously agreed roster bonuses.

Now, if the Jets need to restructure again AND they sign some bigger contracts, then we can start to compare them to the 2007-2009 Redskins. But frankly, the Redskins cap problems were on a different level than anyone else. I would not be surprised if similarities occur in the next 5 years because of the 'value' of QB contracts.

*If anyone has a good link to the Jets cap breakdown, I would love to see it.

http://nyjetscap.com/salary.html

The Jets have $8.1 million in cap space carried over from the past offseason. That coupled with the cuts of Jason Smith, Bart Scott, and Calvin Pace push the Jets to more than $24 million under the salary cap. Cutting/trading Eric Smith and Tim Tebow can take that number past $30 million. Another $10 million could be cleared after the 2013 season, when Mark Sanchez and Santonio Holmes can be cut. That's not a bad situation at all.


But that's exactly the point. Yes, you CAN put yourself into a better cap situation by making some cuts, but you're cutting key contributors when you don't have the talented depth behind them to step in. You're going to take an even bigger step back by trying to fix the mistakes that restructuring caused.


The plan all along was for these players to be cut after this season. Smith is a reserve offensive lineman and Pace and Scott are over the hill and are not starters anymore. Any of the three players could probably be re-signed for $1-2 million at most.

If they can manage to re-sign Landry and Bell at safety, OLB becomes the Jets only major need on the defensive side of the ball. I think the Jets will enter the 2013 season with two new starters at OLB. I wouldn't be surprised if one of those two players is Cliff Avril or someone else of his caliber.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 05, 2012 6:22 pm    Post subject: Re: Least Talented Team in Football? Reply with quote

OneBadCat wrote:
Beason, Davis, Anderson, Keuchly- Can and will be among the top 5/10 at their position.

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OneBadCat wrote:
The problem is that the Panthers don't have the talent where they need it to impact games.


That's the problem. Building a 4-3 defense around linebackers is a horrible strategy. Reminds me of the Seahawks a couple years back. They had one of the best linebacking cores in the league with Lofa Tatupu, Leroy Hill, Julian Peterson, etc. but who cares?

When looking at roster talent, the linebacker position has one of the smallest priority. Do the Panthers have the best 4-3 LB core in the NFL? Absolutely. But the position is not a difference maker.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 05, 2012 10:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ArrowheadRage58 wrote:
Thanks...that's all I needed to hear. A neutral endorsement of the talent. I just don't believe the other Chief threads would have as many visitors as they do if people weren't jealous/praiseworthy of what we could have with better coaching/qb play. If I thot another team was truly overrating their talent, I'd laugh and leave it alone. Chief threads don't get ignored, that's for sure.


Actually, its cocky, overconfident fans of a rather average unproven team trying to convince everyone that their team is better than they actually are that attracts so many visitors.

But if thinking anyone is jealous helps you sleep at night, by all means.

And before your or anyone else tries to claim Im hating...the Chiefs are my second favorite team and Ive said for awhile I thought they were a QB away from really having the pieces in place, but that doesnt mean it will all come together as nicely. Despite claims otherwise, the team hasnt proven anything in terms of being that good,

And coaching/QB play is a huge part of the equation....so not sure why anyone would be jealous of team missing two of the biggest and hardest to find pieces.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 05, 2012 11:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

FourThreeMafia wrote:
ArrowheadRage58 wrote:
Thanks...that's all I needed to hear. A neutral endorsement of the talent. I just don't believe the other Chief threads would have as many visitors as they do if people weren't jealous/praiseworthy of what we could have with better coaching/qb play. If I thot another team was truly overrating their talent, I'd laugh and leave it alone. Chief threads don't get ignored, that's for sure.


Actually, its cocky, overconfident fans of a rather average unproven team trying to convince everyone that their team is better than they actually are that attracts so many visitors.

But if thinking anyone is jealous helps you sleep at night, by all means.

And before your or anyone else tries to claim Im hating...the Chiefs are my second favorite team and Ive said for awhile I thought they were a QB away from really having the pieces in place, but that doesnt mean it will all come together as nicely. Despite claims otherwise, the team hasnt proven anything in terms of being that good,

And coaching/QB play is a huge part of the equation....so not sure why anyone would be jealous of team missing two of the biggest and hardest to find pieces.


+1.

KC fans over the top homerism for their average talent is what attracts the masses.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 06, 2012 12:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Haven't read any of this, but the Jets should be way up on this list.

Sanchez is obvious.
RB core is atrocious, Greene/Powell are both mediocre (though Powell looks like he could be a decent back).
WR is obvious, especially without Holmes.
Sub-par OL. Mangold is still great, Brick is a good LT, but everyone else is questionable.

On defense, the young DL is a bright spot, but they haven't gotten any pressure. Harris is crazy underrated, but neither Calvin Pace nor Bryan Thomas should be starting at this point. CB is normally deep, but Landry/Bell is an average safety duo even when healthy.

The roster is extremely thin and there are few standout starters to begin with. The Jets are a mess.
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