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PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2012 12:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Let's play a game. I will have mine later tonight.

Assume the best:

Arkin develops into a Starting OG, Costa/Kol into a starting C. Cowboys flirt with having a top 10 OL.

Wilbur develops into a starting OLB.

Church comes back Healthy and Johnson becomes a starting S.

Brent becomes our starting NT. Crawford becomes our starting DE.

Assume all that talent develops.

What do you draft? What becomes our biggest need.

Now assume the opposite:

Our OL is still in shambles.

If Spencer Walks, we have no replacement.

Our Safeties don't exist.

Our DL is suspect.

What that jumps as the biggest need?
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2012 12:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Assume the best:

Arkin develops into a Starting OG, Costa/Kol into a starting C. Cowboys flirt with having a top 10 OL.

Wilbur develops into a starting OLB.

Church comes back Healthy and Johnson becomes a starting S.

Brent becomes our starting NT. Crawford becomes our starting DE.

Assume all that talent develops.

What do you draft? What becomes our biggest need.


In that instance...I draft the best QB available in the 1st round, most likely Tyler Wilson, and take an OG like Jonathan Cooper in the 2nd round.

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Now assume the opposite:

Our OL is still in shambles.

If Spencer Walks, we have no replacement.

Our Safeties don't exist.

Our DL is suspect.

What that jumps as the biggest need?


I think in that scenario, I would take an OLB in the 1st. In the 2nd, I would add the best OL prospect on the board. In the 3rd, I take a safety to add to the current group. I would then continue to add talent to the DL.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2012 2:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Desperado82 wrote:
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Assume the best:

Arkin develops into a Starting OG, Costa/Kol into a starting C. Cowboys flirt with having a top 10 OL.

Wilbur develops into a starting OLB.

Church comes back Healthy and Johnson becomes a starting S.

Brent becomes our starting NT. Crawford becomes our starting DE.

Assume all that talent develops.

What do you draft? What becomes our biggest need.





In that instance...I draft the best QB available in the 1st round, most likely Tyler Wilson, and take an OG like Jonathan Cooper in the 2nd round.



I think that you are either really underrating Cooper, or really think that we are going to collect a lot of losses the rest of the season.

I wouldn't be surprised at all if Cooper was the first interrior lineman to be taken.. And I defintly don't see him last longer then the top 5 picks in the 2nd round. He's a great prospect, but still far to underrated because people get more impressed by the big mauling guys who are dominating the LOS when it comes to strength, instead of guys dominating the LOS with quick feets and great technique.
- I really want to see Cooper play in the senior bowl against some top talent. I think that the senior bowl and the combine will secure his place as a 1st rounder. But the scouts have liked him on tape, and I think that his stock is higher then most people think.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2012 2:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DKDALfan wrote:
Desperado82 wrote:
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Assume the best:

Arkin develops into a Starting OG, Costa/Kol into a starting C. Cowboys flirt with having a top 10 OL.

Wilbur develops into a starting OLB.

Church comes back Healthy and Johnson becomes a starting S.

Brent becomes our starting NT. Crawford becomes our starting DE.

Assume all that talent develops.

What do you draft? What becomes our biggest need.





In that instance...I draft the best QB available in the 1st round, most likely Tyler Wilson, and take an OG like Jonathan Cooper in the 2nd round.



I think that you are either really underrating Cooper, or really think that we are going to collect a lot of losses the rest of the season.

I wouldn't be surprised at all if Cooper was the first interrior lineman to be taken.. And I defintly don't see him last longer then the top 5 picks in the 2nd round. He's a great prospect, but still far to underrated because people get more impressed by the big mauling guys who are dominating the LOS when it comes to strength, instead of guys dominating the LOS with quick feets and great technique.
- I really want to see Cooper play in the senior bowl against some top talent. I think that the senior bowl and the combine will secure his place as a 1st rounder. But the scouts have liked him on tape, and I think that his stock is higher then most people think.


Not underrating him at all. I just think there is a lot of talent and depth on the OL and DL classes this year, so could see some guys falling.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2012 3:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Let's play a game. I will have mine later tonight.

Assume the best:

Arkin develops into a Starting OG, Costa/Kol into a starting C. Cowboys flirt with having a top 10 OL.

Wilbur develops into a starting OLB.

Church comes back Healthy and Johnson becomes a starting S.

Brent becomes our starting NT. Crawford becomes our starting DE.

Assume all that talent develops.

What do you draft? What becomes our biggest need.


In this scenario, it just has to be QB. Even though I'm not really in love with any of the candidates this year, go get a Tyler Wilson and let him sit a year under Romo. Another option would be WR.

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Now assume the opposite:

Our OL is still in shambles.

If Spencer Walks, we have no replacement.

Our Safeties don't exist.

Our DL is suspect.

What that jumps as the biggest need?


Center would be the biggest need in my opinion (hopefully Barrett Jones). Need a smart, tough, dedicated guy to be the unquestioned leader of the offensive line. After that, it would be a pass rusher.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2012 4:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DKDALfan wrote:
Desperado82 wrote:
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Assume the best:

Arkin develops into a Starting OG, Costa/Kol into a starting C. Cowboys flirt with having a top 10 OL.

Wilbur develops into a starting OLB.

Church comes back Healthy and Johnson becomes a starting S.

Brent becomes our starting NT. Crawford becomes our starting DE.

Assume all that talent develops.

What do you draft? What becomes our biggest need.





In that instance...I draft the best QB available in the 1st round, most likely Tyler Wilson, and take an OG like Jonathan Cooper in the 2nd round.



I think that you are either really underrating Cooper, or really think that we are going to collect a lot of losses the rest of the season.

I wouldn't be surprised at all if Cooper was the first interrior lineman to be taken.. And I defintly don't see him last longer then the top 5 picks in the 2nd round. He's a great prospect, but still far to underrated because people get more impressed by the big mauling guys who are dominating the LOS when it comes to strength, instead of guys dominating the LOS with quick feets and great technique.
- I really want to see Cooper play in the senior bowl against some top talent. I think that the senior bowl and the combine will secure his place as a 1st rounder. But the scouts have liked him on tape, and I think that his stock is higher then most people think.


Cooper is a fantastic player, don't get me wrong. But unfortunately for him, he is the third best interior lineman in this draft, behind Warmack and Jones. Add that in with the fact that interior linemen are generally de-valued on draft day, and you could see Cooper falling to the second round, even though he is easily a top 15 talent.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 10, 2012 1:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A quick mock of mine:

We don't resign Spencer or Jones allowing us to get Max Unger.

I have us picking around 8-10.

Round 1: OLB Barkevious Mingo
Mingo could easily be a pick in this area as there is an abundance of pass rushers to pick from beforehand. He will be an extreme threat opposite of Ware.

Round 2: We trade back into the mid 50s and pick up a third.
Mid 50s Pick: OG Larry Warford
He isn't discussed too much but I find him a good prospect. He could step in at RG.

Round 3: S Robert Lester
Huge talent. We would be lucky to get him here. I think we might.

Round 3/2: RB Rex Burkhead
A great character guy. Burkhead can step in when the not unusual event of an injury to Murray occurs.

Round 4: Landry Jones
What a name! Jones can be groomed to succeed Romo.

Round 5: Nigel Malone
We continue to chip in depth to our CB position.

Round 6: ILB Steve Greer
Depth to a cursed position.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 10, 2012 5:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dallas makes no MAJOR FA moves. Spencer and Jenkins walk. Jones is given the FU UR FIRED party treatment. Phillips is not re-signed.

Pat Lee, CB, is the biggest FA name we sign.

Dallas has the 15th overall pick.

TRADE #1

Dallas Trades down to the 25th overall pick, and adds a 2nd round pick.

TRADE #2

Wade Phillips calls his former Boss, Jerry, a little smug, and tells him he really wants a player. Dallas Trades the 25th overall pick and a 2014 6th for the 32nd and 3rd and 4th.

1st (Texans) - Johnathan Jenkins, NT, UGA
2nd - Jonathan Cooper, OG, UNC
2nd (Random Team) - Damontre Moore, OLB TAMU
3rd - Robert Lester, S, Bama
3rd (Texans) - Sharrif Floyd, DE, UF
4th - Jordan Reed, TE, UF
4th (Texans) - Earl Watford, OG, JMU
5th - Xavier Nixon, OT, UF
6th - Collin Klein, QB, KSU

This is roughly what we are looking at going into Training Camp - Pre-Cuts.

We should also pick up two very nice Comp Picks for the year after.

QB - 3
Romo, Orton, Klein
RB/FB - 5
Murray, Dunbar, Tanner, Vickers, Obi-Wan
TE - 3
Witten, Hanna, Reed
WR - 7
Dez, Miles, Beastley, Harris, Holmes, Radway, Coale
OT - 4
Smith, Free, Parnell, Nixon
OG - 6
Livings, Cooper, Watford, Leary, Trogdor, Arkin
OC - 3
Costa, Kowala, Cook

DL - 8
Hatcher, Rat, Crawford, Liss, Jenkins, Floyd, Brent, Spears
LB - 8
Ware, Lee, Carter, Wilber, Moore, Connor, McSurdy, Albright
CB - 4
Carr, Mo, Scan, Lee
S - 5
Sensy, Church, Johnson, McCray, Lester
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 10, 2012 5:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

T_O7 that may very well be the most optimistic draft I've seen in ages. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if your top 3 picks are all gone by #32, especially Jenkins and Moore, who I think are top 20 guys.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 10, 2012 6:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cowboys sign Sebastian Vollmer to RT, slide Free to RG
Cowboys let Spencer walk for Top 5 pass rusher money
Cowboys trade 1st and 2nd to move from 10th to 5th and draft Jarvis Jones
1st: Jarvis Jones
3rd: Khaled Holmes
4th: Landry Jones
5th: Leon McFaddeb
6th: Damion Square
7th: Corey Broomfield
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 10, 2012 6:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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T_O7 that may very well be the most optimistic draft I've seen in ages. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if your top 3 picks are all gone by #32, especially Jenkins and Moore, who I think are top 20 guys.


I had Moore starting the year as a 3rd rounder. I moved him up to a 2nd. He will likely be a 1st come draft day. I just still have several DE/OLB's higher ranked.

Jenkins, for instance, I have as the 3rd best NT in the draft.

Cooper to me is the best OG, but given the depth at the interior OL and the history of them free-falling, I have him slipping to the 2nd.

I try to weigh overall talent pool when thinking where a player will go. Everyone loves to think they know where someone will go and we see players free-fall every year and players no one expected taken highly. It happens. I refuse (and you can look through this thread) to blow up my mocks based on what people think someone will go. As the College season progresses - I adjust my mocks. Cooper I have had consistently as a second round pick. Matt Elam, when no one else was talking about him, I had him as a 4th round pick. He has shot up my board. But I also think his family will tell him to stay another year and likely be the 1st S off the board.

My Final Mock will look VERY different than this one.

Oh. And next year we take Matt Elam in the 1st.

We would have an SEC Secondary:

Mo(LSU) - Lester(BAMA) - Elam(UF) - Carr (the lone exception)
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 10, 2012 6:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

what do you all think about drafting Tyler Wilson and letting him sit for a year or maybe two depending on how Romo does. I haven't seen much of Wilson other than he projects by some as a first and seems to have first round talent big arm and toughness. are there any qb's we'd possibly take in the first two rounds?? we need to take a qb this year sometime early so that he has time to learn the game
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Hiero wrote:
what do you all think about drafting Tyler Wilson and letting him sit for a year or maybe two depending on how Romo does. I haven't seen much of Wilson other than he projects by some as a first and seems to have first round talent big arm and toughness. are there any qb's we'd possibly take in the first two rounds?? we need to take a qb this year sometime early so that he has time to learn the game


Wilson is actually the only QB I would consider taking in the 1st. I don't trust USC QBs and LOL @ Bray. I would not be opposed to it, pending who is available. But I see us grooming the future in another draft. [Note - I still want us to take at least 1 QB in this draft, Ron Wolf School of thought]
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 10, 2012 7:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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what do you all think about drafting Tyler Wilson and letting him sit for a year or maybe two depending on how Romo does. I haven't seen much of Wilson other than he projects by some as a first and seems to have first round talent big arm and toughness. are there any qb's we'd possibly take in the first two rounds?? we need to take a qb this year sometime early so that he has time to learn the game


Wilson is actually the only QB I would consider taking in the 1st. I don't trust USC QBs and LOL @ Bray. I would not be opposed to it, pending who is available. But I see us grooming the future in another draft. [Note - I still want us to take at least 1 QB in this draft, Ron Wolf School of thought]

ya I do not want Barkley I have been saying that since he became a starter at USC. Wilson seems to have a lot of potential and he might be there for us without having to trade up.
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What players would you be happy with in the first round? My list has about 8 blue chippers that I would love to see added to the team. In no particular order they are:

Jonathan Hankins
Jarvis Jones
Barkevious Mingo
Star Lotulelei
Sam Montgomery
Chance Warmack
Barret Jones
Bjeorn Werner

Add in names like Barkley, Geno Smith, Luke Joeckel, DeMarcus Milliner, Manti Teo and 2 or 3 fringe players. That means the Boys should be in great position to land one of these guys. Worst case scenario I see is the team walking away with one of the OGs from Bama and that might be just what this team needs the most.
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