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PostPosted: Tue Oct 02, 2012 12:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The Packers are having serious offensive troubles right now, and let's put aside them playing a CFL defense in NO, they're not that good.


The Packers have played 3 outstanding defensive teams in 4 games....

Outside of the 1st half against Seattle, they haven't looked bad at all offensively considering who they were facing.


It's not even really the defenses they've faced. Just watching Aaron Rodgers, he doesn't look the same. His throws look rushed, his footwork looks suspect at times, and his accuracy is NOT what it was last year.


I'm guessing you're basing this off of the 1st half of the Seattle game.

Rodgers looks fine. The Bears, Seahawks, and Niners made the Packers earn every yard they got. Just because they don't make it look easy does not mean they are not playing good football. Rodgers is still completing 70% of his passes, a lot of it to WRs.


No, it was from watching some of the Saints game.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 02, 2012 12:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The NFC N is a rushing division. The Bears are as good as Matt Forte. The Packers will get as hot or cold as Cedric Benson, who can stun you at the worst times. Can Peterson hold up for the Vikings?


Yea, no, just no.

Even the Vikings are relying on Peterson less now, and more on Harvin.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 02, 2012 12:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The Lions have lost three close games, two to quality opponents, and due to uniquely terrible ST play. They haven't played well at any point over the last three weeks, yet were bounces away from winning.

If they find an offensive identity, and shore up the ST play, there isn't a reason why they can't win a bunch of games down the stretch.


9 of the injury riddled Vikings 13 losses last year were by 7 points or less, but no one cared. Everyone said bad teams find a way to lose games and thats what the Lions are doing. They had a 5-0 start last year and even that was kind of fluky with 2 huge comebacks against the Vikes and Cowboys. Since then they are 6-10. 6-10 over the past 16 games. They are simply not that good. Over the past 16 games they havent been able to run the ball, stop the run, stop the pass, or convert 3rd downs. They score alot of points, but they give up alot of points to. Their special teams is horribly bad. They commit a ton of penalties and play undisciplined football. Stafford is good, but overrated and throws alot of ints. Calvin Johnson is amazing, but no other wr on their team can catch a pass. They also havent beat a team over .500. They have beat no good teams and struggled to beat some bad teams.

The truth is, they got out to a hot start last year against bad and injured teams and since then they have come back to earth.


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The NFC N is a rushing division. The Bears are as good as Matt Forte. The Packers will get as hot or cold as Cedric Benson, who can stun you at the worst times. Can Peterson hold up for the Vikings?


Yea, no, just no.

Even the Vikings are relying on Peterson less now, and more on Harvin.


agreed that was a horrid post. A rushing division Rolling Eyes Lord.
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The NFC N is a rushing division. The Bears are as good as Matt Forte. The Packers will get as hot or cold as Cedric Benson, who can stun you at the worst times. Can Peterson hold up for the Vikings?


Yea, no, just no.

Even the Vikings are relying on Peterson less now, and more on Harvin.


Don't mean to be argumentative, but the NFC N teams that sustain the running game will win and do well.

Matt Forte is already straining and Bush can't do as much as MF does.

If the Vikings go more with Harvin over Peterson, PH's receiving numbers will diminish.

The Packers will discover how much fun CB can be.

If all three teams have to pass too much, the playoffs will be one and done.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 02, 2012 12:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The NFC N is a rushing division. The Bears are as good as Matt Forte. The Packers will get as hot or cold as Cedric Benson, who can stun you at the worst times. Can Peterson hold up for the Vikings?


Yea, no, just no.

Even the Vikings are relying on Peterson less now, and more on Harvin.


Don't mean to be argumentative, but the NFC N teams that sustain the running game will win and do well.

Matt Forte is already straining and Bush can't do as much as MF does.

If the Vikings go more with Harvin over Peterson, PH's receiving numbers will diminish.

The Packers will discover how much fun CB can be.

If all three teams have to pass too much, the playoffs will be one and done.


Well that goes without saying, you need at least a little balance. But very little of that has to do with RBs, and more with playcalling and blocking.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 02, 2012 12:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Rodgers looks fine. The Bears, Seahawks, and Niners made the Packers earn every yard they got. Just because they don't make it look easy does not mean they are not playing good football. Rodgers is still completing 70% of his passes, a lot of it to WRs.


Not to mention the fact that his WR's are doing him very few favors(at least up until the Saints game). Even in the Saints game if Nelson catches a rocket from Rodgers the Packers put points on the board in the first series of that game. Finley struggled vs the Niners/Bears, Nelson had his drops vs Seattle. Jennings has been hobbled/out for multiple games and he is the best play maker we have. James Jones has been Rodgers best weapon for crying out loud.

Not very worried about a slow start considering the fact we started slow in 2009 & 2010 as well. McCarthy is known to adapt to the NFL year in and year out, and that is what makes him a good coach...but it always ends up equaling out to be a slow start.
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Superman(DH23) wrote:
JBURGE25 wrote:
Superman(DH23) wrote:
SnA ExclusiVe wrote:
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SnA ExclusiVe wrote:
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NFC West....?

Niners > Packers
Cardinals > Vikings
Seahawks > Lions
Rams > Bears
So I guess where Chicago just beat the Rams 23-6 didn't happen?


I'm not sold on Chicago being a good team. At all. They're the definition of bipolar.

I think the Niners are the only REAL contender from either division, then you have a bunch of teams in the middle, then you have Chicago and STL at the bottom of each.


Lets just pretend that any of that stuff you just wrote is accurate, it still in no way explains how you think the Bears are worse than the Rams after they stomped all over them just a week ago.

And LOL at the Packers not being a real contender. What a joke.


The Packers are having serious offensive troubles right now, and let's put aside them playing a CFL defense in NO, they're not that good.

I forgot that Chicago wiped STL clean so I'll give you guys that one, but I'm still taking Arizona over Detroit and Seattle over Minnesota at this point.

And whoever said Chicago is a contender to win it all must obviously not watch their offensive line. There's no way they win it all with that offensive line.
So Pittsburgh didn't go to a SuperBowl in 2010, or win a SuperBowl in 2008 w/ a horrid OL? The Bears D alone makes them a serious contender, they're playing like the best D in the league allowing 14, 16, 6, & 10 pts so far this year. They're leading the league in sacks, turnovers, & #2 in 3rd down % allowed. Tim Jennings has 4 INTs, has had a major assist in 3 more, and is now not even being targeted, which means teams are throwing to the only CB in NFL history to have 30+ INTs and 30+ FF. The Bears offense isn't even clicking yet, they are still getting used to each other. If you don't think the Bears are a legit SB contender, then who the hell is.


What was the score in the Packers game again? Are you counting the faked punt td as a special teams td? I guess that makes sense
yeah the fake FG was not on the defense, they did their job and got off the field on 3rd down. It was a great call by the ST coordinator from the Packers, b/c in a game where points were seemingly impossible to comeby you fully expect a FG.

TBH, GBs gameplan for the most part was brilliant. They came out and did things they had never shown on tape ever. The Bears had spent just 4 days preparing for one defense, only to come into the game and see a completely different one.


The Packers gameplan against the Bears was in no way different then any other since Dom Capers got here. We hit your WRs at the line and disrupt their routes while rushing 5. Marshall is a nice new toy but when Tramon shuts him down like he did last game it's really the same old Offense.

Capers is in no way shape or form afraid of getting burned 1on1 by your playmakers and calls his Defense accordingly.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 02, 2012 12:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pack4life7 wrote:
Superman(DH23) wrote:
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Superman(DH23) wrote:
SnA ExclusiVe wrote:
Pack4life7 wrote:
SnA ExclusiVe wrote:
Superman(DH23) wrote:
SnA ExclusiVe wrote:
NFC West....?

Niners > Packers
Cardinals > Vikings
Seahawks > Lions
Rams > Bears
So I guess where Chicago just beat the Rams 23-6 didn't happen?


I'm not sold on Chicago being a good team. At all. They're the definition of bipolar.

I think the Niners are the only REAL contender from either division, then you have a bunch of teams in the middle, then you have Chicago and STL at the bottom of each.


Lets just pretend that any of that stuff you just wrote is accurate, it still in no way explains how you think the Bears are worse than the Rams after they stomped all over them just a week ago.

And LOL at the Packers not being a real contender. What a joke.


The Packers are having serious offensive troubles right now, and let's put aside them playing a CFL defense in NO, they're not that good.

I forgot that Chicago wiped STL clean so I'll give you guys that one, but I'm still taking Arizona over Detroit and Seattle over Minnesota at this point.

And whoever said Chicago is a contender to win it all must obviously not watch their offensive line. There's no way they win it all with that offensive line.
So Pittsburgh didn't go to a SuperBowl in 2010, or win a SuperBowl in 2008 w/ a horrid OL? The Bears D alone makes them a serious contender, they're playing like the best D in the league allowing 14, 16, 6, & 10 pts so far this year. They're leading the league in sacks, turnovers, & #2 in 3rd down % allowed. Tim Jennings has 4 INTs, has had a major assist in 3 more, and is now not even being targeted, which means teams are throwing to the only CB in NFL history to have 30+ INTs and 30+ FF. The Bears offense isn't even clicking yet, they are still getting used to each other. If you don't think the Bears are a legit SB contender, then who the hell is.


What was the score in the Packers game again? Are you counting the faked punt td as a special teams td? I guess that makes sense
yeah the fake FG was not on the defense, they did their job and got off the field on 3rd down. It was a great call by the ST coordinator from the Packers, b/c in a game where points were seemingly impossible to comeby you fully expect a FG.

TBH, GBs gameplan for the most part was brilliant. They came out and did things they had never shown on tape ever. The Bears had spent just 4 days preparing for one defense, only to come into the game and see a completely different one.


The Packers gameplan against the Bears was in no way different then any other since Dom Capers got here. We hit your WRs at the line and disrupt their routes while rushing 5. Marshall is a nice new toy but when Tramon shuts him down like he did last game it's really the same old Offense.

Capers is in no way shape or form afraid of getting burned 1on1 by your playmakers and calls his Defense accordingly.
Did you watch the game? The Pack played a 2 deep look the entire game, something they have never done before, they mixed up coverages underneath the 2-deep, and specifically sent extra attention towards Marshall. So much extra attention that Jeffery was routinely wide open on the sideline, if only Jay would have got the ball to him. If you can't realize how much the Pack changed their look for that 1 game, you aren't paying attention.
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Did you watch the game? The Pack played a 2 deep look the entire game, something they have never done before,.........................If you can't realize how much the Pack changed their look for that 1 game, you aren't paying attention.


Uhm.

Sorry...but you don't know the Packers very well if you say that. 2011 they got away from it(Peprah was not trustable in that call without Nick Collins being able to over compensate) but in 2009 and 2010 their safeties played predominately 2 deep coverage. Last year vs the Lions the Packers used a similar game plan on Thanksgiving.
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Did you watch the game? The Pack played a 2 deep look the entire game, something they have never done before,.........................If you can't realize how much the Pack changed their look for that 1 game, you aren't paying attention.


Uhm.

Sorry...but you don't know the Packers very well if you say that. 2011 they got away from it(Peprah was not trustable in that call without Nick Collins being able to over compensate) but in 2009 and 2010 their safeties played predominately 2 deep coverage. Last year vs the Lions the Packers used a similar game plan on Thanksgiving.


This. Watch more football before you comment on a teams past. The way we played you was how Dom called D all of 2010 when we won the Super Bowl.
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Did you watch the game? The Pack played a 2 deep look the entire game, something they have never done before,.........................If you can't realize how much the Pack changed their look for that 1 game, you aren't paying attention.


Uhm.

Sorry...but you don't know the Packers very well if you say that. 2011 they got away from it(Peprah was not trustable in that call without Nick Collins being able to over compensate) but in 2009 and 2010 their safeties played predominately 2 deep coverage. Last year vs the Lions the Packers used a similar game plan on Thanksgiving.


This. Watch more football before you comment on a teams past. The way we played you was how Dom called D all of 2010 when we won the Super Bowl.
Sorry, but you need to watch more football, b/c that's not how the Pack has ever played the Bears before, the commentators even talked about it. It's always been nearly exclusively press man coverage. There was no press man coverage in this game. And there was always AT LEAST 2 defenders surrounding Marshall.
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People have such knee-jerk reactions. The truth is that we still don't know who's who in the NFL...

The damn Bills were what? 5-0? 6-0? To start last year and ended up sucking. I know they lost Fred Jackson, but he wasn't the only reason.

Let a few more games play out before we start crowning divisions, champions, and MVP's.

I understand the speculation, but you people state it with such a matter-of-factness...
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ugLymayNe wrote:
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Did you watch the game? The Pack played a 2 deep look the entire game, something they have never done before,.........................If you can't realize how much the Pack changed their look for that 1 game, you aren't paying attention.


Uhm.

Sorry...but you don't know the Packers very well if you say that. 2011 they got away from it(Peprah was not trustable in that call without Nick Collins being able to over compensate) but in 2009 and 2010 their safeties played predominately 2 deep coverage. Last year vs the Lions the Packers used a similar game plan on Thanksgiving.


This. Watch more football before you comment on a teams past. The way we played you was how Dom called D all of 2010 when we won the Super Bowl.
Sorry, but you need to watch more football, b/c that's not how the Pack has ever played the Bears before, the commentators even talked about it. It's always been nearly exclusively press man coverage. There was no press man coverage in this game. And there was always AT LEAST 2 defenders surrounding Marshall.


Way to change your argument.

You went from "The Pack played a 2 deep look the entire game, something they have never done before" to " It's always been nearly exclusively press man coverage. There was no press man coverage in this game."

When you say two deep look, that means safeties - not how much of a cusion the CB gives WR's. Of course were not going to play bump when you have WR's like Marshall/Jeffery - previously your WR's were Hester and Knox and those are WR's you play bump and run against.
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The Lions have lost three close games, two to quality opponents, and due to uniquely terrible ST play. They haven't played well at any point over the last three weeks, yet were bounces away from winning.

If they find an offensive identity, and shore up the ST play, there isn't a reason why they can't win a bunch of games down the stretch.


9 of the injury riddled Vikings 13 losses last year were by 7 points or less, but no one cared. Everyone said bad teams find a way to lose games and thats what the Lions are doing. They had a 5-0 start last year and even that was kind of fluky with 2 huge comebacks against the Vikes and Cowboys. Since then they are 6-10. 6-10 over the past 16 games. They are simply not that good. Over the past 16 games they havent been able to run the ball, stop the run, stop the pass, or convert 3rd downs. They score alot of points, but they give up alot of points to. Their special teams is horribly bad. They commit a ton of penalties and play undisciplined football. Stafford is good, but overrated and throws alot of ints. Calvin Johnson is amazing, but no other wr on their team can catch a pass. They also havent beat a team over .500. They have beat no good teams and struggled to beat some bad teams.

The truth is, they got out to a hot start last year against bad and injured teams and since then they have come back to earth.


Am I really the only one who sees this?


i think so...its kind of a silly post in general.

they are 2 or 3 players picking up there game from getting back in the hunt. they dont have a running game but thats because there rb is injured. titus young seems like a good option for them. if pettigrew could learn how to catch easy passes they would be doing a lot better. also if they fixed there special teams there team improves seven fold.

discipline is there biggest issue. they play very undisciplined football. if there team fixed that they can be going places even if they dont fix the other things.
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